Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Racine Raiders


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus, default to keep. This AfD has been up long enough, move along. It appears to be unique as a 501(c)(3) team. Bearian (talk) 15:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Racine Raiders
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I've listed this separatley from several other semi-pro football teams nominated for deletion because there is more content to the article. This one has the most information on the page. However, the same issues do persist: extraordinarily weak assertion of notability, no independent reliable sources, and a stronger case for violation of neutral point of view. Paul McDonald (talk) 19:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —Paul McDonald (talk) 20:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to MidStates Football League per my reasoning here. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * '''STRONG KEEP*** This page is well sources, talks about a very important football team, and has sources from news papers and radio stations, needs to remain the way it is. I'm sick and tired of this semi pro witch hunt!
 * Please remember WP:CIVIL, and, I'm afraid to say, the article is not well referenced at all. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:16, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - the article is not sourced at all. It has some external links that go to primary sources, and the base URLs for a local radio station and newspaper, but nothing to direct coverage of the team. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 13:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note Merging may not be possible, see Articles for deletion/MidStates Football League--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete lacks reliable independant sources. -DJSasso (talk) 14:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Although most semi-pro football teams are not notable, the Racine Raiders are notable within the world of minor league and semi-pro ball, primarily because they have been in continuous operation since 1953-- longer than the Oakland Raiders, or for that matter, more than half of the teams in the NFL.  and  and  provide plenty of independent sources.  Mandsford 14:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And can you find any that actually talk in detail about the team instead of passing mentions. Also in regards to link #2....almost all of the books that show up there are reprints of wikipedia so not really sources either. -DJSasso (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thoughts My thoughts are that if the team is only notable within the world of minor league and semi-pro football, then they would not be notable for our purposes here. Wikipedia is not a free web hosting server.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's true, but Wikipedia is also WP:NOTPAPER. It's not like Wikipedia is running out of space. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, but that same policy states "However, there is an important distinction between what can be done, and what should be done..." I don't think that "We've got plenty of room on our servers" is a valid argument to keep an article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.