Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Racism in the LGBT community (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Keep (withdrawn nomination, no opposition.) Several pertinent issues of the article title and article content were raised, please take those to discussion on the article talk page. j &#9883; e decker talk  17:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Racism in the LGBT community
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1) This article uses very few statistics showing how racism within the LGBT community is any worse than racism within the whole white community. 2) This is offensive towards LGBT people as it targets the LGBT community in a negative way. Whether its true or not it would be offensive to publish an article about how much more crime there is in the communities of people of color for example. I guarantee if I wrote an article on how much more crime there was in the Black community it would be taken down as racist. From a sociological perspective this article actually creates more racism and homophobia by pitting the minorities againist each other and creating inter-minority prejudice. 3) This does not reflect a global perspective on the issue. 4) This article does not have a counterpart article about Heterosexism within communities of color because it would be taken down for being racist. But this homophobic and transphobic article can still exist.I think thats a double standard.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 23:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Wikipedia is not censored. If something meets both WP:V and WP:N, then there's no reason there shouldn't be an article on it regardless on whether somebody would be offended. I'm sure Evolution offends the Christian community, but we don't hear calls for it to be taken down. Now, as for whether or not this article is WP:NPOV, that's another kettle of fish. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You're are basically telling me that wikipedia supports hate speech. If this was so wikipedia would have been taken down long ago.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 00:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying that verifiable, notable subjects should not be censored because they 'offend' one, or any, groups. Or should the woman who thought Fuck was an objectionable page be able to have it deleted? (Yes, this really was mentioned on the AN/I page, a woman objecting to an article about a phrase used against Poles (I think) said that she would be trying to get that deleted later. Thankfully sanity prevailed.) - The Bushranger One ping only 00:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: This article claims to be about racism. However, it only addressed Latinos once and has not once addressed Native Americans, Asians, Jews, or Arabs. Are these racial/ethnic groups not notable? -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 00:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It did address some of those groups until, ironically, they were very recently taken out for the same reasons as your AfD. Quigley (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to admit it did address Asian Americans as I just looked it up. Thanks for catching me. However this part was removed due to lack of sources and the fact still remains that Native Americans, Arabs and Jews are still not addressed.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Rename to Race and ethnicity in the LGBT community. The title, as is, is obviously incendiary and limits the subject matter to something repugnant, which would make it a POVFORK. However, enough has been written about racial identities and relations within LGBT communities such that a good Wikipedia article could be written about it. By the way, I can't leave without comment your caustic treatment of LGBT people and people of color as separate entities. The most damning critiques on this issue come not from "homophobic and transphobic" people of any race or ethnicity, but from those who have been marginalized by racism in a community for which they might have had higher expectations of tolerance. Quigley (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * LGBT communities and People of Color are seperate entities that can't be disputed. I think what you are trying to say is that they often overlap and therein you would be right. However, both are minority entities which have faced years of persecution. Why should people expect that LGBT people are free of discrimination. They are only human. By your logic however, every minority group must be accepting of other minority groups and therefore have a higher expectation of tolerance. So why should there not be an artical on heterosexism and transphobia within the communities of color. I would personally fight to take this down as well. Racism and homophobia are both equally damaging therefore both issues Racism in the LGBT community and Heterosexism and Transphobia in Communities of Color should be discussed in an equal and non-biased (racist, sexualist (or in the case of transgender people) sexist fashion). -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * rename per user quigley Pamela BMX  04:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Quigley renamed the article to Race, ethnicity, and the LGBT community, a slight modification on the post above. Subsequently Rainbowofpeace renamed it to Relations between the LGBT community and people of color. I strongly prefer Race, ethnicity, and the LGBT community, which is more inclusive, and I think more globally recognizable. --Pnm (talk) 00:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I withdraw my nomination but I think that the tile Race, Ethnicity, and the LGBT community sounds more like a term paper than an encyclopedia article. I changed it to Relations between the LGBT Community and People of Color because it sounded more encyclopedic. I also think this article's talk page needs to be archived but I don't know how. I would really appreciate it if someone could do that. -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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