Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radio Amateurs of Canada Youth Education Program


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Smerge Kotepho 07:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Radio Amateurs of Canada Youth Education Program
NN. This could also be suggested that gets merged into Radio Amateurs of Canada instead. :: Colin Keigher 18:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to contact this user, Colin Keigher, as his own page does not have an email address to which I can direct queries;

The reason I wish to query is why he would put a deletion flag on this information. Yes it could be incorporated into the Radio Amateurs of Canada page; but the information is rather detailed, and many Wikipedia users might not know to go to Radio Amateurs of Canada; nor that the youth education program is hosted by RAC; while I assume that 'youth education' is a searchable phrase.

I'd like to see the deletion flag removed. This is a legitimate page, and has been sanctioned by the Chair of Youth Education, who asked that it be included in Winipedia.

Terrance Berscheid

Assistant Director, Youth Education BC/Yukon, Radio Amateurs of Canada ve7tbc@rac.ca
 * Merge and trim drastically -- currently reads like an ad. Haikupoet 01:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into Radio Amateurs of Canada with massive edits. The page seems to be lifted from the RAC web site . The Wikipedia article should only outline the program, not promote it. &mdash Grstain 13:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

The material on Youth Education does indeed reflect what is at the RAC website; this is as RAC wishes the information be displayed. I don't see anything within the policies and guidelines which prohibit 'promotion' -- and that term would only loosely apply here, as the information is informative about how to become involved in a social program for the common good. And it definitely is not an ad. VE7TBC


 * Smerge or Delete Reads like an advert to me; it's certainly not NPOV or neutral in tone. Insert a paragraph at most into the Canada radio amateurs article. (formerly g0---). --kingboyk 01:31, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep Intact: This obviously is no "ad", at least not in any commercial sense. Surely enthusiasm in a description is not cause for deletion. This is a summary of an obviously excellent program (YEP) aimed at youth. There is no fee levied. Radio Amateurs of Canada is a not-for-profit organization representing the interests of federally licenced Radio Amateurs across Canada. That means promoting what is not only a hobby but a valuable service. Witness the fact that RAC sponsors the Amateur Radio Emergency Service which offers trained and equipped volunteers, all at their own expense, in times of emergency, such as floods, hurricanes, forest fires, ice storms and tornadoes, to name a few. Not only does the RAC YEP encourage an understanding and appreciation for this hobby/service, but it offers a fun way of learning many educational basics, including mathematics, physics and geography. This article should definitely not be deleted. No valid argument has been made for such a drastic action. --ve3bdb 0321Z 19Apr06


 * Comment -- Look, I'm a licensed ham myself and I understand the importance of youth outreach -- the hobby isn't getting any younger and a lot of those involved in it now are snarky and unpleasant old men. But Wikipedia is not a promotional venue, and this in my book comes off as an ad, or at the very least a press release, neither of which has any place on Wikipedia. At the very least this article needs a massive rewrite into a simple description of the program from an outside POV; realistically, this particular part of RAC isn't notable enough on its own for a separate article to begin with and really should be added to the main article on the RAC. I would say exactly the same thing about an equivalent subdivision of the ARRL or RSGB -- the groups themselves are notable, but individual sections of them aren't, any more than a special interest group of something like the Association for Computing Machinery would be (and the ACM is much bigger). A final point is that no one, not the authors of the page, nor the subject, has final say over what a Wikipedia article says. Some governing body may have written and approved the article, but it isn't theirs to control -- once it goes on Wikipedia, the author gives up control. Haikupoet 04:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree totally. (And, for the record, I passed my RAE - British exam - at 14, and got my full Class A at 17. However, I've given the hobby up in favour of the internet and I can see it dying out if more young people aren't recruited. None of which makes the subject of the article any more notable.) --kingboyk 06:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge or Delete per nom. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Ardenn 05:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - sorry guys, I'm a RAC member myself, and I completely support this program, but I don't think this is a suitable topic for a wikipedia article, and even if it was, it would need to be substantially rewritted. Sorry. ve1vac 71.7.134.22 14:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.