Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radio Kaleidoscope (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 04:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Radio Kaleidoscope
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non-notable pirate radio station; the references appear to be webpages written by involved parties, not media references Rapido (talk) 14:09, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this radio station. Joe Chill (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article is a good one with an external link providing further information so it looks quite notable to me. Due to the nature of pirate radio stations, you can't expect them to shout about their activities from the roof tops can you?  Therefore some information regarding them will remain unknown and so cannot be included in an article.  --Cexycy (talk) 11:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - An external link doesn't automatically make an article notable! Your "shouting from the roof-tops" statement is irrelevent, as that is more a self-promotion issue, nothing to do with notability. Rapido (talk) 13:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - You are asking about notability, well here we have an external link (ie nothing to do with Wikipedia, therefore a viable back-up source) to support the contect of the article. The article itself is not very well written, but that can easily be improved at a later date as with any article.  My statement about "shouting from the roof-tops" is only to point out that as a criminal activity, these pirate radio broadcasters want to make sure they ae not over exposed.  If you look at the website you will see there are no landline 'phone numbers, only mobiles.  There is also no postal address.  In short if this is a pirate station, then there will obviously be few back up sources than normal, so proving notability will be harder.  As this IS a radio station and Wikipedia is supposed to be unbiased, it would not be fair to delete this article.  I'm sure you understand my point.  --Cexycy (talk) 00:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as article fails to cross verifiability and notability thresholds due to lack of independent reliable sources. That a website exists for this admittedly criminal activity does nothing to prove that there is an actual pirate station nor that it has any notability outside the heads of its involved persons. WP has plenty of articles on notable pirate radio stations but, based on the lack of third-party coverage, this one does not make the grade. - Dravecky (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Cexycy makes an argument many do: that if sources don't exist for a subject (or type of subject) that associated articles should be kept anyway, just because it's unfair to ask for sources when there aren't any. This quaint POV has no basis in WP:V, the fundamental policy of the encyclopedia.  To quote from it, "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it."  Period.    RGTraynor  14:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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