Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radio Mosoj Chaski


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to SIM (Christian organization). No indication that the radio station passes WP:GNG, consensus is to merge the article. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude  talk  19:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Radio Mosoj Chaski

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No evidence that this is a notable radio station. First source is a map, second source doesn't seem to mention the station, third one is a fanzine. Looking for better sources gave nothing in Google News and very little in general, the best are some religious sources supporting the station, or a missionary doing voluntary work at the station. Nothing that meets WP:GNG though. Fram (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, the sources are not the best. But: the radio station is obversiouly broadcasting on the given frequency in quechua. That infomation is reliable and so the articel. Keep.--Outdoor-Bro (talk) 14:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Curbon7 (talk) 03:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bolivia-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge. This is a signal that can be heard internationally, consisting of original material, with a length of history per WP:NBROADCAST. The information also meets WP:V, so it should be kept as encyclopedic.  However, the available reliably verifiable information is slight, so it could be merged to List of shortwave radio broadcasters with no damage to the encyclopedia per WP:NOPAGE.  It should not be outright deleted per WP:PRESERVE.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A merge might be acceptable, but a keep without meeting WP:GNG but based on an unaccepted notability essay should not be done. And even then, the section on radio stations starts with "A licensed broadcast radio station must meet the general notability guideline.", which this one doesn't. Fram (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Claiming that a radio station passes WP:NBROADCAST is not enough, you have to be able to reliably source that the station's claim to passing BCAST is actually true. We've had a lot of articles created about radio stations (fake, internet, etc.) that falsely claimed to pass BCAST when they actually didn't, so just saying the station passes BCAST isn't enough all by itself if the sourcing isn't there to support it. Bearcat (talk) 14:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't even find GNG coverage in Spanish. Delete. As an aside, Bolivia's telecom regulator does not seem to have a listing of shortwave stations. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 07:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge what content is properly sourced to reliable sources into SIM (Christian organization). Sources do not appear to be available to demonstrate that the subject is notable independent of the organizations that operate it.--Tdl1060 (talk) 01:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 22:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:BCAST and WP:GNG per above arguments. SBKSPP (talk) 01:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The above arguments all indicate that WP:GNG isn't met though. Fram (talk) 08:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge into SIM (Christian organization), as per Tdl1060. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge or Keep (less preferred) - I don't think this needs its own page, as it doesn't look like it'll ever have the sourcing required to be expanded much. This station seems to be a collaboration of three organizations, so perhaps SIM (Christian organization), which is only one of those three, is not the best fit?  I'd lean towards List of shortwave radio broadcasters per 78.26's discussion above. (I don't actively object to merging into SIM if that's where others prefer, or if more arguments for it are made) Fieari (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * My concern with merging into List of shortwave radio broadcasters is that doing so would give undo weight to this station within the article. Merging it into the article of any one of the organizations that operate it would be acceptable. However, Pioneers International does not have an article and Ethnos360's primary focus seems to be elsewhere, which is why I felt merging into SIM (Christian organization) is the best solution.--Tdl1060 (talk) 05:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge to SIM. The sourcing isn't where it needs to be to demonstrate that BCAST has actually been passed. We have had articles created about one-man internet radio streams and fake radio stations that didn't really exist at all but falsely claimed passage of BCAST in an attempt to fly under the radar, so the notability test isn't in the assertion of passing BCAST but in the ability to use WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to properly verify that the claim to passage of BCAST is true. An organization that is actually directly involved in its operations is a better redirect target than just a generic list of shortwave radio stations, however. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.