Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafał Ohme


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Rafał Ohme

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Straightaway PR/Advertising WP:PROMO. Fails to pass WP:GNG and WP:NCORP WP:NPROF. Calling for an AfD discussion. Hatchens (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete does not pass the inclusion criteria for academics.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment As eluded to by the above comment, the nominator may need to reread the referenced policy. It is quite unclear why he should meet NCORP which applies to businesses and NPROF would seem more appropriate than GNG. PainProf (talk) 03:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you for pointing. NPROF added! Hatchens (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The subject may have trouble passing our NPROF, but it passes Polish equivalent which considers habilition sufficient. These days I support habilitation as sufficient myself but this has yet to gain consensus on English Wikipedia. Interested editors may want to comment at talk of NPROF. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Is that equivalent to tenured professor? I would generally say most tenured professors are likely to be notable, it might be more a case of finding out why, in my experience major institutes don't tenure random people and are generally a good judge of a broad field contribution (which is a requirement for tenure), if that is also a requirement for Habilitation then that seems to me to be a well made argument. PainProf (talk) 03:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not all countries have tenure. I'd say its more of an equivalent of associate professorship, but again, it is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. See Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(academics) and the thread above it for recent and ongoing discussions. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In countries that don't have tenure I generally accept full professorship, I actually think that is met here, Its hard to judge this one, citations might be good for the field which would meet NPROF C1, one thing I can't tell, is he a member of the polish academy of sciences or he just works at their institute? If so its a lot easier. I'd generally give academics like this benefit of the doubt, I don't know the field but it isn't biomedical, its harder to get insane numbers of citations outside those fields. PainProf (talk) 03:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, we have decided that having tenure is not enough. C1 is met only by being truly impactful in the field. Another criteria is met by having named chairs, which 15 years ago when we develped the criteria was fairly uncommon. We have deliberately avoided making it so any holder of a full professorship in the US would be notable. It is time for people to look at what the actual criteria say instead of trying to craft their own. This is the English-language Wikipedia, and we have different criteria than the very broad inclusion ones in the Polish-language Wikipedia. We apply our own criteria to all articles, we do not apply different criteria just because someone is from a nation where the Wikipedia project in the main language has applied much looser inclusion criteria.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I just mean normally I'll be able to find a decent reason if they have tenure, notability within the field is normally a condition of a tenured position, its a decent rule of thumb. PainProf (talk) 00:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No it is not. There are lots of people who have tenure who have not contributed in their field enough to be truly impactful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


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