Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafiq Shinwari (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  MuZemike 16:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Rafiq Shinwari
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Doesn't appear to meet WP:ENTERTAINER, not to mention it only has a single source. Significant sources are required. —  Dæ dαlus Contribs  07:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention WP:MUSIC.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  07:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 08:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 08:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 08:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Its his bad luck that there is only one biography of this legendary artist on the internet and that too is in Pashto. Since it is my mother tongue so I have tried to extract as much information as possible for this article. However, there is no mention of an exact date of his birth since it was even unknown to him as he came from a very backward area of Afghanistan. Having said that, there are no two opinion about his greatness both as a Pashto singer and music composer. --  MARWAT   17:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Though, I have been asked by someone to vote here in favour of deletion, my conscience even asks me to vote for deleting it as it is not meeting Wiki's policy as stated by the nominator.WikipedianBug (talk) 08:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep He "is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre".
 * Khost Radio lists a song of his at #1 on their "top music" chart:
 * Both GNews results in a Roman-alphabet search for his name show people describing him as important in his field: "Nawab Khan, in his inaugural speech, said that Rafiq Shinwari was a great music composer" and "Rafiq Shinwari had really renovated Pashto music".
 * In this magazine column his recordings from the 1960s are described as having a significant effect on the career of another Pashto singer Khyal Muhammad.
 * Given that we are dealing with a region of the world which is quite underrepresented on the Internet, that's quite enough to convince me that better sources exist offline. Thanks, cab (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete a Gsearch and JSTOR search in music/music ethnology return 0 hits. No evidence of notability per WP:V, WP:RS. Eusebeus (talk) 20:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - What about the considerable links and evidences already provided in the article? Don't you think that there are certain languages in the world who have been least represented on Wikipedia, least to mention its artists who unfortunately come from an era of "No-Internet". These days even a punk guitarist would get his own blog and several web pages however, a legend (like this guy) in a specific Asian language becomes a non-entity because luckily, whatever links or hits he is still getting on the internet aren't enough for Wikipedia. I strongly think that entries like this are mandatory on Wikipedia to balance the allegation of systemic western bias. Dude, JSTOR isn't that widely read in this part of the world from which we come, still I believe there is enough evidence on internet about his greatness. --  MARWAT   00:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I'm persuaded by the links in the article and the drift, if not all of the specifics, of MARWAT's western bias argument. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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