Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ragnarok (Norwegian band) (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Jenks24 (talk) 13:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Ragnarok (Norwegian band)
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This band appears not to satisfy the notability criteria for bands. There are three sources attesting to its notability, but none of these appear to be reliable sources. Both AllMusic and MusicMight have been the subject of inquiries at Reliable sources noticeboard, and the conclusion there seems to be that they are not usable to attest to a band's notability. The third source, Regain Records, is associated with the band itself (that article is up for deletion in a separate AfD). meco (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. meco (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. meco (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: The band has its own entry in in Joel McIver's Extreme Metal II, Music Sales Group, 2005, ISBN 9781844490974. ---Sluzzelin talk  13:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete It's a little telling that the second hit is indeed their myspace page. Doesn't appear to have charted anything major. Gigs (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have to dispute the idea that Allmusic is not considered reliable. A fair summary would be that Allmusic is considered reliable for band notability and facts, but not necessarily for a band's genres. I may have missed a discussion somewhere - in which case please link me. The most recent I could find is at: Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 122. I believe that MusicMight is not considered reliable because of the user editing element, but it may have changed as I cannot find a way to edit at the moment. A band's own company is generally not useful for demonstrating reliability.--  SabreBD  (talk) 13:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "AMG will add any product submissions we receive to the database as long as they are commercially available in their country of release."  It is not a source of notability.  They will literally print anything anyone sends them, as long as they are publishing music commercially. Gigs (talk) 16:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That refers for requests to be included in their database. Write-ups such as this are not done for every item they list (not by a long shot), and they constitute significant coverage by a reliable source, the same as any other professional music review website — Frankie (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Still, that write-up is very sketchy. __meco (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've seen better, but nonetheless it provides what is expected by the GNG, that is, coverage of the subject such that no original research is required to extract the content — Frankie (talk) 17:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, per the AMG write-up, the entry on Extreme Metal II (which the Google snippet suggests contains significant coverage), and also this article (It seems to be reliable from what I could see regarding their editorial practice, but GTranslate can only get you so far, so I'm open to review). It's barely notable, but more independent coverage on metalunderground, metalnews, etc., while not entirely reliable, serves to suggest that additional reliable sources may exist, specially considering that they've been around since 1994 — Frankie (talk) 17:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm finding quite a lot of coverage for a group in that genre, including two entire newspaper articles (both added as refs along with a lot of smaller stuff). They are also mentioned in an Aftenposten article on the metal scene in Norway that is paywalled. Numerous sources talk of them as one of Norway's most important black metal bands, they have toured several times in Europe and at least once in N. America, and someone with better access to Norwegian newspapers can probably find a lot more. I believe they meet criteria 4, 7, and possibly 6 of WP:BAND. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Band with long history, sufficient coverage, and encyclopedic relevance. --Michig (talk) 07:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Now looks to be more than enough coverage for notability.--  SabreBD  (talk) 07:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - improved since nominated and there are good number of WP:RS.  →TSU tp* 15:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
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