Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rahman Karimi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Rahman Karimi

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No third-party reliable sources with WP:SIGCOV; prod disputed by the creator, who has a likely conflict-of-interest. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete nothing in Gscholar, GBooks, Jstor or anywhere else I can find. There was one person with his name in Gbooks in the Encyclopedia of Afghanistan, but it appears to be a different person. Oaktree b (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I wrote this already on your user-talk page. But you insist in deleting this page. Sorry for repeating myself.
 * I fully understand your concerns. However, this is not about nostalgia (you had previously said "Wikipedia is not a memorial"). This is about an important poet whose works can be found in many libraries abroad. According to my information, his works can be found eg in the USA, Germany (more than two dozen libraries), Austria, Switzerland, the UK and even New Zealand. On request, I can name more than 30 libraries specifically. More than 20 university libraries. Many references are in Persian. Some are from political groups. I deliberately focused on his literary work, which can also be read in English language. I hope you take into account whether or not a poet has lived in exile too. I hope you don't feel offended but the Iranian government is trying to annihilate everything democratic and all who are fighting for it. Atelier-KaRo (talk) 21:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete no third party sources cited in the article. I looked for some, and couldn't find any. There is an Afghan politician named 'Rahman Karimi', everything I can find under the name is about him and not the subject of this Wikipedia article. The article creator points out some library holdings, but these do not build the case for notability. We need sources about the subject, not by the subject or his family. - MrOllie (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course, Google's algorithm takes into account News in English much more than in Persian. Rahman is a common first name and Karimi is a common surname. I think I'll send you some of those library entries. A book in Farsi is not obtained abroad simply because his family wants it. Few examples:
 * University of Oxford.
 * University of Berlin
 * Public Library Dresden
 * Public Library of Wellington (New Zealand)
 * University of Vienna
 * Public Library Zürich (Swiss)
 * etc Atelier-KaRo (talk) 21:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As I just mentioned, library holdings are irrelevant to this discussion. MrOllie (talk) 22:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll add some more information. As mentioned before they are most in Farsi.
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 * Atelier-KaRo (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Simple mentions and blog postings won't help either. You should read WP:N and WP:RS thoroughly. MrOllie (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Poetry,  and Iran.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Books existing in libraries does not by itself address any WP:BIO or WP:NAUTHOR notability criteria. We need third-party reliable sources that address the signficance of ths author and his works. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * To be able to judge the references I added you'll need to read in Farsi. Whereby Google translator meanwhile does not translate so badly.
 * I think the first reference might be the best from your point of view. Nevertheless, you have to know the other writer to understand the significance. Atelier-KaRo (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Please read WP:SIGCOV and WP:RS. Pasting a list of every website you can find that mentions Karimi is not helpful. Ideally, any reference meeting WP:RS would be incorporated into the article, not enumerated here. Skimming those quickly, most of those sources appear to be blogs or other self-published sites. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 22:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The first reference is a published book about "notable" poets of south of Iran. Some others are from Radio and TV stations. Others are Iranian News sites. None of them is "self-published" by Karimi or his relatives!
 * Is it possible that there is a specific reason for insisting in deleting the article? As I asked before, it'll be helpful to clear some points. Should others try to help? If you don't like anything I'm forwarding you. It could be helpful to have others. I'm not sure if others would be provide more. All in all, in exile living authors and artists can not provide the same form of proof in English as somebody from Europe or US.
 * I really hope this isn't a kind of personal or political issue. I feel like Asterix in Egypt. Atelier-KaRo (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've already told you that this is a notability matter, not a political one. We routinely nominate a wide variety of articles for deletion if an editor feels that they don't meet our notability criteria. You've also yet to address the COI issue. OhNo itsJamie Talk 23:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding to COI issue: There are three ways to solve the problem (in my opinion). 1. Somebody else would publish the article. 2. You tell me, which information are suspicious and need proof. 3. I publish our discussions and hope other would help. Of course, I'm aware not everybody is familiar with the structures of Wikipedia and is able to make changes.
 * Which way is the best? Or is there another way? Atelier-KaRo (talk) 23:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S.: I don't agree that finding books in libraries wouldn't address notability criteria. Of course, finding a book in few libraries might be kind of local thing. But finding a book in Farsi all over the world in public and university libraries show clearly that the criteria match. Atelier-KaRo (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - meets neither WP:GNG or any of the SNG's. Onel 5969  TT me 16:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


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