Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rakı


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Rakı

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The article is superfluous. There already exists an article covering this subject, see rakia. Barababa (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

After much discussion, the rakia name has been chosen as a compromise and is used as the de facto standard on Wikipedia. However, a duplicate and very turk-oriented article under the name of raki has popped up.

Since there already exists a Wikipedia page for this drink, the raki-page should be removed. It is superfluous and doesn't follow a neutral POV. Also, the article contains very little information that isn't already in the rakia article. What little information it does contain, should be moved.

I propose that the raki article is deleted and that the search term raki starts redirecting towards rakia, just like "rakija" does. Barababa (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Existing since 2003-07-29 06:47:47 is a rather odd definition of "just popped up". Moreover deletion, and AFD, form no part of the article merger process for duplicate articles.  Uncle G (talk) 23:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article Rakia was created as a redirect to the already existing article Rakı (then named "Raki"). I could not find the "much discussion" leading to the conclusion that the name "rakia" should be used for rakı. As noted by Uncle G, deletion is in any case not the way to deal with such a naming issue (and also not with POV issues). While I'm not opposed in principle to a merge, please consider that Rakı is already longer than the whole Rakia article, so it would rather be an issue of merging "what little information" the latter article contains to Rakı. 85.101.100.220 (talk) 04:11, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article Rakia is unreferenced in comparison to the article Raki which is at least referenced!! Also, the same Barababa placed a deletion tag on Rakia on Aug 6, then removed it!! Which gives the impression not of concern for notability, but something more personal. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * To me, it gave the impression that a novice editor, 21 edits into xyr editing career and unfamiliar with article merger, accidentally nominated the wrong article for deletion. Uncle G (talk) 11:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I'm a new editor and still a bit unfamiliar with everything. The two articles should in any case be merged since they deal with the same drink. While it is true that the raki article does have more references, the rakia article is factually correct and the information presented (except for perhaps origin) is not controversial. I'll see if I can add some references in the next couple of days. I do not have anything personal against the raki article, I do however think that it is a bit one sided towards Turkey. For example this dictionary states that raki is "a brandy of Turkey and the Balkans". (http://www.yourdictionary.com/raki this one says the same thing http://www.21food.com/showroom/48934/product/Trakia-Brandy---Rakia.html) The raki article gives off the impression that it is purely a turkish drink and this is not the case. The reason I proposed that the raki article be merged into the rakia article, and not the other way around, is because the rakia article is in it's current version more neutral and is hence easier to work with. Barababa (talk) 14:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That discussion does not belong here, but let me state for the record that it is not obvious that rakia and rakı are "the same drink". Rakia is not "a drink" but rather a family of drinks, a quite generic class of fruit brandies, made from all kinds of fruit, often plums or apricots, often sweet, and rarely flavoured with aniseed. Turkish rakı is never made from plums or apricots but mostly from molasses – in which case it is not a fruit brandy at all – and otherwise almost always from a grape pomace, is never sweet, and always flavoured with aniseed. Albanian raki, in spite of the similar name, is quite different from modern Turkish rakı. --Lambiam 15:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lambiam is right. Rakı is an aniseed-flavored grape distillate based beverage, when rakia/rakija is just the name of fruit brandy in Balkan peninsula countries. Thus these two are not related. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.108.85.1 (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to delete this article,  then it should be redirected to Arak,  not to Rakia.Eregli bob (talk) 05:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. Why was this relisted? Everyone who gave an opinion (except nominator) argued for Keep, and nominator argued for Redirect. The choice is not between Delete and Keep but between Merge and Don't merge; no one disputed that. --Lambiam 22:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.