Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ralph Houser


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The result was delete. Tone 16:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Ralph Houser

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Couldn't find significant independent coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Navy Cross is a second tier gallantry medal and top rank reached was colonel, so subject does not meet requirements of WP:SOLDIER Dumelow (talk) 15:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep I just browsed for sources. As well as regular military histories such as Battle History of the United States Marine Corps and The Recapture of Guam, I found this which repackages our article as a book costing 45€.  It doesn't seem to attribute the authorship of our text correctly and so we should maintain this page to provide the correct attribution and free access for both our contributors and readers.  Note that deletion is something of a misnomer as the content is not actually deleted; instead it is restricted to administrators.  There doesn't seem to be any sensible reason to restrict readership in this way and so the proposal is disruptive. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd be interested to see what the above sources say about the subject, can you elaborate on this? The only mention I could find in a search online was in a history of the USS Lexington where he's mentioned as CO of the marines onboard and for his actions in reacting to a bomb strike, but nothing that struck me as providing sufficient notability.  Not an expert, but surely the "book" would have to include attribution to comply with the CC by SA license? - Dumelow (talk) 16:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete This article fails to meet our inclusion criteria for soldiers, and nothing said so far in any way suggests that Houser is notable. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, nor are Wikipedia mirrors. I was willing to pay over $30 to get a biography of Tonga Toutai Pāletu'a, the first president of the Nuku'alofa Tonga Temple, the first ethnic Tongan stake patriarch, stake president, mission president and regional representativie in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and maybe even notable. I wish I believed that book made him notable, but it was written by his grandson, so I know we will not pass the hurdle that way. Pāletu'a is also a character in The Other Side of Heaven 2, but that is not under the best of circumstances grounds for notability. Arguably he is one of the 3 main characters in the film, maybe the second biggest role after John H. Groberg. The problem is that despite what they say at the end Tonga Toutai Pāletu'a in that film is not the real Tonga Toutai Pāletu'a, but a fictional character who has the exact same name. The real Tonga Toutai Pāletu'a was a married adult, a counselor in the mission presidency to Groberg, was baptized in 1941 just after which he was assulted so badly by one of his brothers he had to go to the hospital, he was not assualted by an uncle on Niutoputapu in 1966. In fact he was older than John H. Groberg, so the whole portrayal in the film has no connection to reality. My main point is selling a book is not something that forces us to create an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. SOLDIER is definitely not satisfied. Whether there is or isn't a pirated book is irrelevant. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG, lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS. Mztourist (talk) 07:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


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