Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ralph Sutton (broadcaster)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Sourcing is insufficient. If the show is deemed notable, and an article is created, happy to provide the history here for a merger Star   Mississippi  11:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ralph Sutton (broadcaster)

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Co-founder of GaS Digital Network which is also at AfD. The references are interviews or mentions but nothing significant to meet WP:GNG. CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete There is a very little notability here but it is nowhere near the minimum required for an article. We need significant coverage by reliable sources. Searching for better sources uncovers one passing mention in a book. That's not going to get us very far. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Radio.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  03:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sutton is notable for his radio program The Tour Bus, which was in syndication in several markets and lasted from 1999 to 2017, and which isn't currently covered in the article that was started for him; I've found several articles about the show. I've been (albeit slowly) piecing together a better article in my sandbox.


 * Some sources I've found about The Tour Bus include the following articles found via newspapers.com: Asbury Park Press, The Herald-News, the New Jersey Daily Record, The Courier-News, and this article from the Star-Gazette that focuses on his appearance on an episode of Queer Eye in its first season.


 * As for his work in podcasting, he was featured in articles from Entrepreneur magazine, and Vice, plus there are bits and pieces I've found about him in articles about comedians Tim Dillon, Shane Gillis and Big Jay Oakerson.


 * Hopefully that will suffice to keep the article from being deleted. Marchije•speak/peek 13:30, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I initially thought the same, and on its face the references available online appear to show notability. However, when you dig deeper you will see the Entrepreneur source is an interview where he gives advice about how to start a podcast (not significant coverage of him) and the Vice article is discussing the GaS company he started and doesn't go into depth about him. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * True, the Entrepreneur article doesn't go into depth about him personally, but the fact a magazine devoted to entrepreneurs chose to speak with him about the podcasting business does at least lend some credibility to the fact that his knowledge and experience in that sphere is notable. Regardless, his radio career was covered a fair bit, and some of the newspaper articles about his radio show do go into him in some depth, particularly the Daily Record article. Marchije•speak/peek 01:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Star Gazette is the only reference that would even come close to being significant so I would not say that his radio career was "covered a fair bit." Everything else is just a mention of his name along with the show and notability is not inherent. I realize that Entrepreneur decided to reach out to him and while it may show that he is a credible source for them, saying he is notable because they decided to reach out is original thought. Notability is about what is said about the subject in the sources, not the fact a source reached out to someone for information.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I hear you. I agree with your statement that "Notability is about what is said about the subject in the sources, not the fact a source reached out to someone for information," which is why I couched my statement with "it does at least lend some credibility..." Although, I had hoped that coverage in seven different third-party sources might fall under WP:BASIC, which states that "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." I tend to be more of an inclusionist. My edits on Wikipedia, by and large, come from trying to improve poorly sourced articles, or at times rescuing articles flagged for deletion. I had hoped to do that with the Ralph Sutton article, but I'll wait and see how this AfD pans out. Marchije•speak/peek 12:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would agree if there was a little more depth to them. Even a paragraph or two that talks about him, but these are passing mentions and about the shows. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete The single interview reference is not enough by a long chalk. His podcasting may be popular and sufficiently notable for an article but he is not notable. The coverage is dreadful.    scope_creep Talk  06:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Scope creep He has also been interviewed on a lot of other podcasts. Would that be helpful? Stravensky (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Interviews are WP:PRIMARY. They can't be used to establish notability. It needs WP:SECONDARY sourcing, people talking to other people about Sutton, who don't know him. That is the gold standard. The WP:BLP policy states: "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". These is no high-quality sources here for this individual.   scope_creep Talk  19:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


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