Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rama Jyoti Vernon


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The result was   keep. Note the nominator's withdrawal without any delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Rama Jyoti Vernon

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The article cites only one truly independent source, a brief article in the New York Times, which mentions Vernon only once. Thus the article fails to prove WP:Notability Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator Sources added since the nomination demonstrate adequate general notability outside of the "yoga community". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Why is Yoga Journal not considered an independent source? Even though Vernon was one of it's founders, it has been bought and sold many times since then and she has no affiliation with it. Check out the Yoga Journal page for it's history. (Or the rest of the sources, for that matter?)Yogininan (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep Obviously I wouldn't have moved this article from AfC to article space if I didn't think it had merit. It is notable to have been a cofounder of what is now one of the major magazines for yoga. I will also add more references. heather walls (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep I have added references to two books as well as Hinduism Today and Yoga Life - I think there are sufficient references at this point to warrant keeping this article.Yogininan (talk) 02:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes GNG. This is one of those areas where if you aren't really into yoga you might not be as aware of what is a secondary reliable source in the yoga community. Yoga Times Yoga Journal and LA Yoga are pretty important publications - now and then. SarahStierch (talk) 21:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Are they truly Independent sources? My concern is that there is only one reference (the NYT) outside of the "yoga community" which, aiui, can be very much like a walled garden. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply I'm not sure what sort of book would be written about a yoga practitioner that was not a book about yoga. :) Furthermore, there is currently at least one more reference that appeared in The Morning Call which is not a small, local or yoga-related paper.
 * Comment The diversity of sources has improved since the nomination. Newspapers are exactly the kind of sources it needed - sources that have no interest in promoting yoga or its leaders. It also demonstrates that the subject has been noted by people outside of the "inner circle" of yoga fans. Sourcing an article like this exclusively from "yoga publications" is like sourcing an article about Obama exclusively from White House press releases - the voices of critics would be absent. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep Rama Jyoti Vernon is an important woman in the history of American yoga. Book: Yogini : The Power of Women in Yoga by Janice Gates InfinityBird (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)InfinityBird
 * Keep She is considered to have had a significant impact in at least two cultural communities -- yoga and pacifism -- and is mentioned as a significant woman in the history of yoga (book mentioned above) -- I'd say the desirable thing is to try to improve the article, rather than take it down. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


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 * Keep Passes GNG, I think this was a proper approval from AFC, it is a fine beginning for an article. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:51, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Now it is, but wasn't when I nominated it. See my comment above about diversity of sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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