Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramone Close


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The result was   delete. henrik • talk  21:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Ramone Close

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator because he Inserted direct link to professional club website which indicates he is a listed player with appearances and statisitics. Given that all the clubs Mr. Close has played for are not notable, it's safe to say that he isn't either. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete - one club he has played for is notable (R.R.F.C. Montegnée) but that doesn't mean he is - he fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 16:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. This footballer is not professional as far as we can tell. His club MKS Drawa Drawsko Pomorskie is not professional. According to Polish wikipedia they play in the third division. Just to clarify, the third division is actually the fourth level of football. Cloudz 679 17:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment -, the article's creator, posted the following to the article's talk page. It is pertinent to the afd. However, it does not change the fact that Mr. Ramone fails both relevant notability guidelines, WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ramone does not deserve to be subject to the snide remarks of Sir Sputnik who fails to realise a number of key points. The player was taken in and provided a full scholarship by the Australian Sports Commission as he was identified as an elite player. Ramone served out his full 18 month development term at the Australian Institute of Sport. The difficulty faced by a young aboriginal player to make a career in Europe without EU citizenship is enormous. The same type of player with similar athletic capabilities if born in the UK or Germany would be signed and developed within a professional club youth system (equivalent to the standards provided by the Australian Institute of Sport) but pro club youth systems apart form that replicated by the AIS do not exist in Australia. Like many Aussie players before him Ramone is forced to travel Europe and work his way up through the lower leagues and currently he is being paid to apply his skills with Drawa Drawsko and he is poised to move up to 2nd or even first division Polish of Belgian football this summer. This young Indigenous Australian is rissing against the odds and is a notable player and a notable person --MassUTD (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

--MassUTD (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2012 (UTC) Attached are links to articles indicating the Ramone Close was selected for Australia U23 Squad and was contracted to Professional A League Club Gold Coast United. His case is building. http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/79887,jan-checks-out-young-socceroos.aspx http://www.goldcoastsoccer.com.au/newsview/nyl-gold-coast-united-youth-beat-perth-glory-youth--824 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Institute_of_Sport_Football_Program http://www.worldfootball.net/transfers/aus-queensland-state-league-2009/ --MassUTD (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - while I wish him all the best in pursuing a career in football seemingly against the odds, unfortunately non-notable players don't become notable just because they are having to overcome a lot of adversity in their chosen profession..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NSPORT explicitly excludes youth footballers, and unless he played for Gold Coast's senior team in an A-League match, the fact that he was contracted to them does affect notability either. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails to meet our N guidelines.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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