Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramsey Orta


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Death of Eric Garner. ST47 (talk) 01:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Ramsey Orta

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rather trivia, we're not going to track down everyone in every event, there is very few, if any, way we can expand anything in this article. Viztor (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Notability has been established by coverage in reliable sources, such as Time": https://time.com/ramsey-orta-eric-garner-video/ Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, there is a story from earlier in 2019 about his upcoming testimony in a trial of one of the assailants. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The event is notable. It doesn't mean the person is notable outside of the event. Viztor (talk) 07:06, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect as a categorized to   per WP:ATD-R (policy). Subject seems to be mainly a WP:BLP1E case that does not meet the basic notability guideline for people, but subject is mentioned in Death of Eric Garner, and as such the article title nominated for deletion here is a valid search term that would be accepted if it had been requested at Articles for creation/Redirects and categories. WP:BLAR per ATD-R after a proper WP:BEFORE can always be attempted before nominating for deletion. If redirection is not contested, there is no need for a discussion at AFD. Sam Sailor 10:29, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect a BOLD redirecting might have saved us this discussion but Eric Garner is an obvious redirect target and this BLP1E (without the questionable BLPCRIME attached information) should be redirected there. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The police harassment he has faced since releasing the video seems to qualify as a second event, and this information wouldn't make sense in the Garner biography. -- Kendrick7talk 13:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Kendrick7 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * No, I wasn't the creator of the page, I just did the merge to mainspace. I did notify the creator though. -- Kendrick7talk 14:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Still does not meet WP:BASIC. The argument "this information wouldn't make sense in the Garner biography" is weak, as the information is already in Death of Eric Garner, please read § After the grand jury. Death of Eric Garner is not a biography. Sam Sailor 10:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How does it not meet WP:BASIC? Multiple reliable sources independent of the subject of which Orta is the main topic are listed, see Ramsey Orta. -- Kendrick7talk 16:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, then write the biography, I can't with these sources. The current revision of Death of Eric Garner has ~121 words about Orta. The article you want to keep has a mere 55. Sam Sailor 22:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * "This topic shouldn't exist because I don't know how to make it better" isn't much of an argument. I could do another merge though. -- Kendrick7talk 03:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please do refrain from putting words into my mouth, I have not made such an argument: there is a huge difference between stating, as I did, that I can't write a biography with the present sources, and your quasi-PA "don't know how to make it better". Be aware that I have helped save more areticles from deletion than you have ever created. Sam Sailor 07:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:02, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge I am on the fence about this one. I personally have issues about the credibility of a drug dealer who participates in "Copwatch". I would say the video is notable and if there is a page on the incident or the victim you might merge this into those pages. ScienceAdvisor (talk) 09:10, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * "if there is a page on the incident" ... read the above, target is Death of Eric Garner. I do not see anything to merge here. As I said, target has already more info about Orta than does the article under discussion. Sam Sailor 17:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Death of Eric Garner where this individual's notability lies.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.