Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ranboo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of most-followed Twitch channels. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Ranboo

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Very cool guy. Non notable YouTuber that appears to be internet famous but lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of him making him non notable to warrant an article on mainspace. A before search shows me mere announcements with 0 significant coverage, self published sources and sources not independent of the subject. Celestina007 (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment more than enough sources in GNews, not sure how many are acceptable. The Times Delphic ? article seems to be the best on the first page. Oaktree b (talk) 23:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Oaktree, the problem is, they seem to have hits here and there but two third are unreliable and the remaining aren’t WP:SIGCOV, minor mentions that do not rise to meet GNG, I can’t deny their fame but for notability, I fail to see it. At most, in my unbiased opinion, this is WP:BARE & WP:TOOSOON. Celestina007 (talk) 17:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect it somewhere, where exactly I'm not sure. Articles for deletion/Tubbo is an related AfD which might have some redirect ideas. Another alternative is to make an article on Dream SMP members (or make the list directly on Dream SMP, but might be too long for it), they tend to be discussed as group so notability might be able to be established for that kind of article. Jumpytoo Talk 18:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There are a few contradictions with these.
 * One - There is no mention of Ranboo in the Dream SMP's article.
 * Two - Speaking of a list, there was recently a discussion about whether or not the infobox should remain in the article. We have decided to remove it per the consensus on the talk page. I'll start a discussion about implementing a cast list near the bottom of the article.
 * L33tm4n (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right on the first point, so if the target is decided to be there it would need to be a merge not a redirect. And yeah, I found it weird that the Dream SMP article has a list of guest stars, but not a list of people who actually are part of the group. Jumpytoo Talk 21:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a redirect to List of most-followed Twitch channels is appropriate in the meantime? He's number 39 on there.  Ss  112   06:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I guess that is the better target for now. If the cast list does get made with some info about each person, then changing the redirect to Dream SMP could be considered. Jumpytoo Talk 22:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * (Super Ultra Very Weak) Keep Did you read these sources when doing your Before search? At a quick glance I found that Ranboo not only received coverage from Dot Esports and Gamepur, but was the main focus of the articles themselves, each discussing specific aspects of his career. The first article talks about his recent milestone of 4 million Twitch followers, describing his following as "on par with some of the largest content creators on the platform" and stating that "Ranboo has grown his platform and online presence immensely." It also contains other biographical info about him (like his privacy and elusive persona similar to Dream). The second article from the same outlet delves into his affiliation with the Dream SMP and a Minecraft tournament he participated in (which may be routine, but the first paragraph seems to establish a credible claim of importance). Finally, the third source talks about his income as revealed from the Twitch leak from last month. You may argue that he hasn't had any significant achievement on his own, like winning some prestigious award or making a viral meme. But clearly these outlets recognize him as a prominent content creator, both as a member of the Dream SMP and a popular Minecraft gamer on his own merits. I will say that I kind of agree he is a WP:TOOSOON subject, but these sources for now have enough content that we can extract in order to make a Start-class page.


 * As for the outlets' reliability, Dot Esports is considered fully reliable in WP:VG/RS while Gamepur, while inconclusive, is an outlet which Gamurs Group, the same group which owns Dot Esports, also owns. In a post I made a couple months ago I wrote that Gamepur does have an editorial staff, and someone else pointed out that several of the staff had written for other reliable outlets. I believe the outlet should be fine to use and enough to support his notability. There are also other outlets like HITC and Game Rant that have written about him, which are quite fringe outlets, but have some usable content.


 * TL;DR: I think these three sources are enough to establish bare notability for Ranboo. Also: the Gamepur source was already in the article before this deletion discussion. PantheonRadiance (talk) 10:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


 * EDIT - Also found these sources as well: a Looper article listing him as a Twitch streamer who "blew up" in 2021, and a Digital Trends article in Spanish. PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There's a consensus to redirect the article, but we're divided between two targets indicated above. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of most-followed Twitch channels or Dream SMP. While Ranboo is the 39th most-followed Twitch channel, apparently the 16th biggest earner on the platform (going by the leaked earnings), and is well known as a Minecraft streamer, there's really not a lot of coverage in news sources that could sustain an article. I acknowledge the few sources there are at present, but I think it's a while yet before we get anything of substance or before he truly distinguishes himself outside of just streaming—then I think we might get something more in-depth. At present, he really doesn't do a lot besides basic Twitch streaming. He's a very private person and talks a lot about ideas for content that never come to fruition, and from a personal standpoint, I think that's one of the aspects that's holding him back from the news coverage that other more open and motivated streamers have gotten.  Ss  112   06:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect. Nothing in the sources to suggest significant coverage in reliable sources beyond routine "Youtuber X has Y amount of Followers/How much does this Youtuber make?" churned out articles. nearlyevil  665  06:21, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of most-followed Twitch channels. Once he is covered more widely, the page can be restored. I think it shouldn't redirect to Dream SMP for a few reasons:
 * He isn't even mentioned on the Dream SMP article. Even if a cast list were to be added to Dream SMP (as is being discussed), his contributions to the server aren't mentioned there either. If those were added to the article, then I would say to redirect there. But there aren't any sources for his Dream SMP bits as far as I can tell.
 * While a large portion of his influence and popularity does stem from Dream SMP and the things he does for it, a significant portion also stems from outside the server. It would be like redirecting TommyInnit to Dream SMP - doing his online legacy a disservice. M2r1k5 (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of most-followed Twitch channels. There simply just isn't enough reliable coverage about this individual in reliable sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of most-followed Twitch channels for now. If there's consensus to add a cast list to Dream SMP, the page could also be redirected there if consensus also says so. Could also be a redirect with possibilities per the sources that User:PantheonRadiance found. Also have no prejudice against moving the existing content to draftspace (WP:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity). wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  00:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.