Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randall Archer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Collection (film).  MBisanz  talk 00:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Randall Archer

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Only references are to IMDb and an primary-source interview, which do not establish notability. Conifer (talk ) 07:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Collection (film). So far he's only known for one film, and that's The Collection. He's not particularly well known for this role, at least not in the way where Robert Englund is known for portraying Freddy, so he wouldn't warrant inclusion on that basis either. He's done quite a bit of work as a stunt performer, but then it's also expected that a stunt performer will seek out work. The amount of roles/work doesn't automatically mean that someone will pass notability guidelines, but it does make it more likely that there will be coverage. Unfortunately for Archer, he never gained any coverage to speak of. Of the sources that were in the article, one was IMDb (which is unusable as a RS) and a blog. The blog looks to be your typical self-published source, meaning that it's not usable as a RS on Wikipedia. (I have heard of this blog before and like it, but it's still not usable as a RS.) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- Eclipsed (talk) (email) 08:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Tokyogirl79, I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, and I respect that. But I recently found an article in The New York Times "Movies & TV" here take a look.--> http://www.nytimes.com/movies/person/1345009/Randall-Archer I will add this to the cited sources. But I really don't want this page deleted. I will continue to improve it a find reliable sources/info and such. So I really, really don't want it deleted. :( BlueFlame101 (talk) 17:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This isn't an article, it's part of a database run by the New York Times, hosted on their database. The thing about database listings is that they're considered routine, especially since most of them are created by information supplied by the actor or their representation. It's not considered to be the equivalent of an actual newspaper article. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. @Tokyogirl79 Oh, I was mistaken then, thank you for clarifying this. It seemed like it is that's what I originally thought but now seeing it I understand it isn't an article, I wasn't sure. On another note if you don't mind me asking I am slightly stuck on this, what information would I need to find and present in order to be able to keep the page up? (which I would really like to do that's my best intention) But, I mean if it is deleted can I still come back and recreate the page at a later time when he has a lot more notability and resources of it? (Because he is still an upcoming/rising Stunt Performer/Actor) He does have notability though for his work as a Stunt Performer and small notability as an Actor. But overall he is very notable in a sense, there are groups and fans of his work and such. But overall I really would like to keep the page as I said before that is my best intention, is to keep the page. I also believe that the page should be kept and not deleted. Thank you, ☺ BlueFlame101 (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC) User:BlueFlame101 is the creator of this article. Disclosure added per WP:AFDFORMAT.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:55, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk  13:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk  15:16, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Notability can only be proven through coverage in independent and reliable sources. As far as his work as a stunt performer, you have to show where these roles were notable. It's generally expected that someone will be employed in their chosen field, so just performing as a stunt worker is not enough. Right now what you need is coverage in places like newspapers and reviews that specifically mention him in roles other than in the Collection film. So far it looks like he's only known for the one film and his other roles haven't garnered coverage to the point where he'd warrant his own entry. As for re-creation, you can seek recreation in the future if he has another role of this caliber, where he's a visible role (ie, he's a major character with screen time and not just another stunt performer) and where the film has received enough coverage to warrant an article. If he has a major role in a TV series (reoccurring role, major screen time, notable series) then that'd count as well. However him performing as a stunt worker wouldn't really qualify unless he's gained coverage, since most stunt performers never really gain any coverage unless they happen to be lucky enough to capture the public eye. (For every one that does, there's usually 100 that don't.) However in that instance you'd probably need to ask the closing admin if you can restore the page and if they decline, go through WP:DRV. In either situation you'd have to show where he's gained the additional coverage. Establishing notability for the other works is usually the easiest way to go about this since it's easier to show that a film is notable and if the star is a major character, then that'd show notability for the performer. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Collection (film) or delete. The problem with the "up and coming, rising, next big thing" is that these people generally aren't there yet.  We'll still be here when he's making headlines in Variety and Entertainment Weekly.  That's the time to create an article.  Keep an eye out for more coverage and maybe go through WP:AFC when you recreate the article.  Right now, I think it's still too soon. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


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