Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randle McMurphy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Randle McMurphy

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Character biography presents no additional plot/fictional biography information or criteria proving notability that isn't already covered in the plot sections of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel) or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (film).

In other media section lists actors portraying the character in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (play) and trivial mentions about two songs. Actors portraying the character on stage can be merged into the article about the stage adaptation.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: No objective evidence that the fictional character meets the general notability guideline or that the article can be anything other than a plot-only description of a fictional work. Reliable sources found with a search engine test do not provide reception or significance for the fictional character to presume that he is an appropriate topic for a stand-alone article, and most of them treat the character with regard to the plot of the novel or film. Jfgslo (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 20:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. The subject is an iconic character in both a highly notable novel and a highly notable film, as well as the related notable play, and is not only the subject of extensive critical commentary but has become a familiar metaphorical figure in social and political discussions. There are scores of Google Scholar hits on the character name, most of which appear to be substantive and pertinent. GBooks coverage is extensive, if harder to sort through. (See my comments at Articles for deletion/Nurse Ratched for cites regarding a parallel figure in the underlying work). McMurphy may not be quite so deeply embedded as popular culture as his adversary (discussions are more likely to point out the title of "Cuckoo's Nest", but his notability still is up there with Scarlett O'Hara, Charles Foster Kane, and Clarice Starling, to cite a few parallels. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'd just like to say that whether the article is ultimately kept or not, I just love the fact that it has been deleted. It confirms my faith in Wikipedia in general, and the AfD process specifically. Kudos to all. But seriously: Wasn't Kesey a druggie anyway, do we want our kids reading this trash? Maybe someone could go through the novel and erase all mention of breasts, as has been done here at The Sum of Human Knowledge... Dekkappai (talk) 22:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Great notability. For example, see Cyclopedia of literary characters. Warden (talk) 23:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – one of the more surprising afds, especially as the 'find sources' link in the nom finds a plethora of sources. Occuli (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A major character of literature and film culture. And Adoil Descended (talk) 01:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect: WP:INUNIVERSE-only treatment of fictional material. Can be recreated if WP:SECONDARY analysis providing a non-fictional perspective can be found. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 11:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep notable enough to keep for sure. UncommonlySmooth (talk) 02:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Google Books link, above, confirms the obvious: this character has been covered sufficiently in reliable secondary sources to have independent notability. Jclemens (talk) 05:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge into One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel) – let's be clear about this: unless anyone can cite significant coverage of this particular character then he does not satisfy the GNG and that is that. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  estoppel  ─╢ 15:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge as per User:TreasuryTag / User:Hrafn. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - While I don't feel as strongly about this as I do about the character Nurse Ratched from the same Ken Kesey book (also up for deletion), upon reflection I believe this also has trickled into popular culture to such an extent that encyclopedic coverage of the subject is merited. Carrite (talk) 06:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Since we all like the citation of sources here at AfD HERE'S AN ARTICLE by the chairman of the English Dept. of Boise State University which delves into character analysis of Ratched and McMurphy. These are, in short, iconic characters of modern American fiction who have trickled from the high culture of Kesey's work to popular culture. Carrite (talk) 06:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.