Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randon II


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Randon II

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Claimed to be a member of the French nobility in the 15th century, but no evidence of satisfying the guideline for notability ( WP:BIO). Claimed to be the spouse of a woman who was related to a Pope, but notability is not inherited. A prod was removed by the article's creator. Edison (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * Comment. The title "gouverneur du Dauphine" may be a claim to notability. - Eastmain (talk •    contribs)  04:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * YOU CAN SEE THE PROOF ON THE FRENCH BOOKS.PLEASE IT WAS VERY HARD TO WRITE THIS ARTICLE. HELP ME TO COMPLET IT BUT DON'T DELETE IT .SINCERELY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prince elvis mozart (talk • contribs) 05:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There's no real "nobility notability" criterion in WP:BIO, and this is probably borderline. The family, the Joyeuses, appear to have been on the lower rungs of French nobility (Seigneur and Barony) during the 14th to 15th centuries, but the family appears to have been elevated to Vicomte and Duc in the 16th century, after Randon II's death. On the primary notability criterion, there are a number of hits on Google Books. As Eastmain says, if Randon II was Governor of Dauphiné, the representative of the King in a major province in the Ancien Régime, then that appears to be a pretty notable position. --Canley (talk) 06:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not for genealogies, however noble they may be. No evidence of notability and utterly slovenly formatting. &mdash; RHaworth 07:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The French language website provided as a reference lists people who lived after the time of Randon II, and I did not see mention of Randon II in that website, although my weak French plus Google translate may have missed something. Why is the website to be considered a reliable source for this article? Does it have an identified editor or editors, and does it have a general reputation for accuracy, or does it have unreferenced information contributed by individuals interested in tracing their ancestry? Some more input by editors fluent in French is needed.  If an individual can be reliable shown to have been a provincial governor, that should satisfy WP:POLITICIAN. Randon II de Joyeuse appears to be a redlink in the relevant article of the French Wikipedia, Joyeuse (Ardèche), viewable at . If he isn't notable enough for a standalone article there, why would he be notable here? The French article says (Google translation) "En fait, avant le XVI e siècle, on sait peu de choses sur les seigneurs de Joyeuse, aucun ne se signale par des exploits. In fact, before the sixteenth century, we know little about the lords of Joyeuse, none was reported by exploits. Lorsque Randon II de Joyeuse est nommé gouverneur du Dauphiné en 1429 , les seigneurs de Joyeuse n'habiteront plus la ville de Joyeuse. When II Randon de Joyeuse was appointed governor of Dauphine in 1429, the lords of Joyeuse not inhabit the city of Joyeuse. Rangés très tôt sous la bannière royale, Joyeuse n'était pas dans la seigneurie de l'évêque de Viviers, mais dépendait du bailliage royal de Villeneuve-de-Berg . Sorted very soon under the royal banner, Happy was not in the lordship of the bishop of Viviers, but depended on the Bailiwick Royal Villeneuve de Berg. Titulaires de hautes charges royales ou ecclésiastiques, ils s'éloignèrent de leur seigneurie. Holders of high office royal or ecclesiastical, they left their estate." The subject of this English Wikipedia article supposedly died in 1424, so the claims of this article clash with the contents of the French Wikipedia article. Deletion due to lack of verifiable references still seems appropriate. Legend and original research. Edison (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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