Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Couture vs. Chuck Liddell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There were too many opinions to justify a relist, but neither side presented a strong argument –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  02:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Randy Couture vs. Chuck Liddell

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Delete this is pure unadulterated original research garbage. JBsupreme (talk) 08:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have deleted a couple of sentences of original thought; beyond that the article seems fine.  The subject is notable because the Couture/Liddell rivalry played a major part in the popularization of ultimate fighting in the United States.  For an example of what this article could be like when expanded, see Muhammad_Ali_versus_Sonny_Liston.  Baileypalblue (talk) 11:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's a substantial independent literature on Muhammad_Ali_versus_Sonny_Liston, which, because of racial issues, was a major cultural event as well as a sporting event.  There's nothing in this article that isn't redundant with existing Wikipedia articles, otherwise I'd say merge into Liddell and Couture articles.  THF (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge content into biographical articles. --Ryan Delaney talk 18:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep concur with Baileypalblue that this is a notable rivalry within MMA; gsearch seems to support interest in this particular combination (e.g., couture vs liddell gets over 450K hits with 135 in gnews). E.g.: "Fast forward to UFC 57 in February of 2006, it was the rubber match between the two biggest stars in MMA, Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture. Liddell once again knocked out Couture, to continue his dominant reign. Just like the second time these two fought, the event broke the UFC record for PPV buys, pulling in 400,000 buyers. That is when the numbers really started to jump." JJL (talk) 20:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, though I am, as always, disheartened by a first mainspace revision being a whopping 395 bytes in size. This article has potential and a notable subject, though it would have been nice if that potential had been developed before it was mainspaced. Don't fall asleep  zzzzzz 21:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete--I see no reason why this is notable enough for a WP entry. I mean, we're not talking about Ali vs Frazier, that the newspapers and magazines actually wrote about--and I don't see any really relevant Gnews hits in serious, independent publications. The article itself doesn't help, talking about the event(s) only as event(s), not as some kind of cultural phenomenon like a Superbowl or an Ali fight. Drmies (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep because the trilogy is notable. Portillo (talk) 04:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please phrase your commentary using English? That made no sense.  JBsupreme (talk) 06:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.