Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Mengullo


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The result was   redirect to Jack and Jill School.  MBisanz  talk 02:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Randy Mengullo

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Procedural AfD. This was originally submitted as a CSD, but I find enough ambiguity about the subject to be uncomfortable with speedy deletion. The sources that I have read have checked out good, but the subject himself does not satisfy WP:ATHLETE and WP:BIO. I suppose that in his case WP:ACADEMICS may apply as well, but I don't see him passing this notability requirement either. Trusilver 02:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. The subject is non-notable and written by people affiliated with him (just look at the discussion page). The amount of reliable sources are also pretty thin.--CyberGhostface (talk) 03:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Short / Fails the Notability...
 * JJS Karate Dojo,JJS Karate Kids, front page of Sunstar newspaper, 2006
 * JJS Karatedo rules NOPSSCEA events, Viasayan Daily Star, 2008
 * POF-Visayas Qualifying Games,NOKAF standouts shine, Visayan Daily Star September 17, 2007 edition
 * Mayor's Cup,Daily Star, November 28, 2006
 * POF Karatedo National Winners,2nd Philippine Olympic Festival, 2007 National Championship in Manila
 * JJS karatedo team overall champ,Viasayan Daily Star, October 4, 2005
 * Way of the Kids By NONOY ESPINA,[BYLINES Magazine], November 2005 Edition
 * Official Training Center,[2005 and 2006 MILO-AAK Karatedo Summer Sports Clinic], Summer of 2005 and 2006
 * Lessons learned in our Karate Class, [Star Life Sunday magazine], September 2, 2002 Edition
 * Jins gather for a showdown,Karatedo by Randy Mengullo, Sunstar, Febraury 10, 2005


 * Jack & Jill School recognized dojo and Randy Mengullo is a member of Philippine Karatedo Federation, the governing body of karate in the country. Jjskarate (talk) 04:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The challenge you have is that those articles aren't about the subject of this article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to let others to know that Randy Mengullo is the official karate instructor of Jack & Jill School and in the newspaper articles that I have included as references cearly state that he is achieving as a coach/trainer for the reason that his players/team won different competitions up to the national level. Jjskarate (talk) 05:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If only someone will read the latest championship title that the karatedo team of sensei Randy Mengullo had achieved somehow you will find it victorious because it's a celebrated moment of this year's NOPSSCEA (Negros Occidental Private Schools Sports Cultural Educational Association) event where prominent institutions in the negros island is looking forward every year. NOPSSCEA is the local or the province version of NCAA where all private school in the island meet and match.


 * Please read and view:
 * JJS Karatedo rules NOPSSCEA events, The Randy Mengullo-mentored karatedo team, Visayan Daily Star 2008
 * TEAM JJS Championship Fight trained by sensei Randy Mengullo
 * JJS Karatekas highlighted 2008 NOPSSCEA Opening Ceremony at University of St. La Salle
 * This are just few celebrated events mentored by sensei Randy Mengullo.


 * THANK YOU SO MUCH!! Jjskarate (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the school; not notable, WP:COI. JJL (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Would it be possible that karate in school like Jack & Jill School propagates without the effort of Mr. Randy Mengullo?
 * Probably not, without Mr. Mengullo the sports program in JJS will not prosper and will come this far. His players may not have international exposure but given a chance he can garner medals as what his team always does in the national level competition. Sensei Mengullo is a respected martial artist and award winning trainer in his community you can see that in many press releases and news reports of his references. Jjskarate (talk) 00:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment
 * With his contribution to the martial arts world in general to propagate karate as a sport in school and with his 14 years experience of teaching elementary and high school students added with his involvement in his community it is just formal that sensei Randy Mengullo deserves a place here. Jjskarate (talk) 02:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Pictures speak a thousand words
 * JJS karate Photo,Playground demonstration
 * JJS karate photo,Karate on stage
 * JJS karate photo,I love this place
 * Jjskarate (talk) 03:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I applaud his teaching efforts and accomplishments. Whether he is included here or not, is largely a policy issue and based on established guidelines. So I hope you won't take anyone's opinion as an attack or disrespect to his many accomplishments and good works. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that open minded opinion ChildofMidnight, I do understand your good point. But somehow I'm just trying to inform others rather simply not doing at all. Jjskarate (talk) 04:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note
 * Teaching professional athletes is very challenging but teaching children is very inspiring and fulfiling. The reward of teaching adult players are honor, fame and money but involving kids in their colorful childhood lives is priceless.

Only few has the determination and patience to teach little children esp. in karate and sensei Randy Mengullo has proven his worth in this crap. Jjskarate (talk) 04:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. National level karate instructor/coach in the Philippines, have joined many competitions in the country. Mmaasia (talk) 05:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note User:Mmaasia is a single purpose account that has made no edits other than this AfD. Trusilver  07:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note Mr. Mengullo is an award winning coach in the country particularly in the kumite children's division.POF Karatedo National Winners,2nd Philippine Olympic Festival, 2007 National Championship in Manila Mmaasia (talk) 07:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete and don't redirect Non-notable karate instructor who fails WP:BIO. A Google search returns results which are mostly from Wordpress (a blogging site), YouTube, Flickr, and other sites that do not provide reliable sources. Several exceptions are these three news articles which mention him only in passing. A Google News Archive search also returns very few results. The first result is a duplicate of a news article I mentioned above. The second news article also mentions this instructor in passing. All four news articles from the Sun Star newspaper or the Visayan Daily Star (two newspapers based in Bacolod City), are local news articles about the local Bacolod City karate school. None of the articles profile this karate instructor, so the information in this article is largely unverifiable. This article is very well-illustrated and very informative, but none of the references give significant biographical information this person. A lot of care was put into writing this article so I recommend  to post it on his/her website so that the information won't be lost. Also, don't redirect this article since it is a very unlikely, even implausible search term, for a person who almost qualifies for db-bio. Cunard (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: The information written by is very extensive, but the lack of sources about this individual, along with how knowledgeable this editor is about this topic, leads me to believe that Jjs has a conflict of interest with this karate instructor and with this karate school. See Articles for deletion/JJS Karate Dojo, particularly this edit for evidence. Cunard (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Im just a beginner and still learning... you're a far genious than I am but somehow I know my mistakes and learning from it... It's just a matter of time, isn't it? Jjskarate (talk) 09:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank You for your datailed and crytal clear explanations. It works!!! Jjskarate (talk) 08:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. It is just normal that in the sports news the winning players/team are being the center of the news with blow by blow accounts and the trainer/coach are just secondary or less important. The news reports there are all about winnings and not a feature story of the trainer. Jjskarate (talk) 09:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jack and Jill School, info is possibly too detailed & I he fails to meet the notability guide for athletes but much of the info is sourced so I don't' see a problem in including an abbreviated version of these parts there. --Nate1481 09:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * p.s. I agree the redirect is not needed in this case as the search will hit otherwise.


 * Delete I'd say delete based on possible WP:COI reasons. Shrumster (talk) 12:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete no demonstration of notability has been made. There are many thousands of martial artists worldwide with similar claims of significance, yet they do not merit articles either. Clear conflict of interest problems. &mdash; BillC talk 15:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jack and Jill School, the school is notable and the trainer may not establish notability but still active in many competitions in the Philippines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.105.11.158 (talk) 04:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Added government site to include national competition as reference Philippine Olympic website,National Championship: Team Negros Occidental Jjskarate (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

*Keep. Accomplished instructor in the Philippines. Play hard in martial arts not with the man.Mmaasia (talk) 12:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC). Repeated vote; see comment by Trusilver above. JJL (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the school, not notable.


 * Comment: I think it's important to note that in parts of the Philippines, the infrastructure of the Internet is not as developed as one may be used to in a more modern country. It can sometimes be very difficult to find information on prominant individuals in highly populated areas simply due to the fact that much of the population is lucky to have electricity, running water, or a toilet in their house.


 * My gut feeling tells me this IS a notable individual but the lack of development in technology is making reliable references difficult to attain. Let us not strike out an article based on failure to affect more developed parts of the world. Such actions will have a detrimental impact overall on contributions from poorer societies to Wikipedia and on the ability of more modern parts of the world to learn from these cultures. User5802 (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What in the article makes you think the subject is notable?--CyberGhostface (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing. The article has not proven itself to be notable. The individual has not been proven to be notable. However, I am curious if this individual has had a significant effect on Bacolod City or the province of Negros Occidental. I also am interested in the total amount of individuals this person has been and is currently instructing in a school that has 1,500 students per year. User5802 (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You've got a nice point and you hit the target. Philippines belongs to the 3rd world contries that is why they're far behind in technology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.198.94 (talk) 07:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


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