Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Myers (animator)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Based on consensus and Emmy winner. (non-admin closure) Peter303x (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Randy Myers (animator)

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PROD declined because the subject has won Emmys. Okay, that's true, but it doesn't establish notability. He's still lacking in significant, independent coverage from reliable sources. The article only cites blogspot and IMDb. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep Winning an Emmy passes WP:ANYBIO, which states "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards." The first criteria is "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." which this person has done. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Emphasis on People are likely to... Where are the WP:RS? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So we're just going to ignore Wikipedia guidelines now? Ok. Donaldd23 (talk) 00:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Clearly you're missing where, right under "Additional criteria", it says conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:54, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, sources I found were very trivial, with little if any interviews and one article on his Kickstarter campaign.  Heart  (talk) 23:00, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as meets notability. multiple Emmy wins + nominations + the sourcing possible if BEFORE is completed = no reason to delete. Nominator should learn that it is not the state of sourcing in the article that matters, but the sources out there. Emmy winner is high-hanging fruit for AfD. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 01:25, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , if the sources you added are all the sources that there are, then your BEFORE turned up just as much as mine. Perhaps you need to learn about "significant coverage"? This ain't it – Muboshgu (talk) 01:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have a friend who won an Emmy for video editing. He's not notable either. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am talking the case for SNG for creative professionals, including WP:DIRECTOR, #4. He's no Time Person of the Year, but I would call the coverage, interview included, significant enough, and combined with multiple wins of the highest award in the industry, he cuts the mustard.
 * Not sure what you mean by "all that are there"--all that are where?
 * See WP:ARTN--writing a nomination statement based on what the article is vs what the subject is is a common mistake in nom statements.
 * I'm glad you have a friend. My cousin won an Emmy. Both are immaterial--such things the list of arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
 * Tell me, did you get other sources on your BEFORE, or just the ones I added? DiamondRemley39 (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The general notability guideline supersedes any specific notability guideline. Clearly we're not on the same page on "significant" coverage. The article has four online citations, an interview in an external link, and IMDb. Those online citations give no biographical details about him at all. All they do is verify he won the award, and not meeting GNG means delete. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The keeps are unconvincing. It is necessary to show sources backing the claim of notability, of which there are preciously few in the article. I note that the awards in question all seem to implicate more than one person, so it's unclear whether everybody listed would actually be notable. In this case, If there is an objection on GNG grounds, that is a valid reason which needs to be addressed and not handwaved away due to semantic points about the guidelines.
 * Keep As per WP:ANYBIO and as per WP:CREATIVE that says The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. Animation direction should be considered a major role in co-creation the mentioned notable movies. WP:GNG not always supercedes. A good example is WP:Academic. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Emmy winner. That's enough for establishing notability. Кирилл С1 (talk) 16:44, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Emmy winner.4meter4 (talk) 16:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


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