Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ranger (Middle-earth)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, in the specific sense of "there is not a consensus to delete this article". All participants, including those advocating a "delete" outcome, seem to agree that this particular article is not useful as a standalone and is duplicating information elsewhere, but there is complete lack of agreement as to where the information is best treated - there are three different Ranger articles, plus Aragorn, a specific notable Ranger. At least one, and potentially two, of the Ranger articles are best dealt with via merges to one of the other articles, but ultimately none of them are going to get deleted wholesale, and an AfD of one of them seems very much an inappropriate venue as a result. A merge discussion linked from multiple talk pages is likely the way forward. There is consensus we have too many Ranger articles, but little more than that. ~ mazca  talk 21:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ranger (Middle-earth)

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Content here is mostly duplicate of that at Rangers of the North, although a little bit is closer related to the no-longer existent Rangers of Ithilien article. There's no need to have a duplication of this content, especially when this article is extremely short and the other is more detailed. Hog Farm (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Reverse merge. Rangers of the North and the deleted content from Rangers of Ithilien should be merged into and redirected to this article. These two organisations are the original inspirations for the widely-used Ranger (character class) and the Middle-earth ranger is the origin of this meaning of ranger. -- Necrothesp (talk) 01:13, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This article duplicates the content of two different articles. One of those articles was recently deleted, as its subject was non-notable. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 05:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Any information needed on the emergence of the ranger class in Dungeons and Dragons can be discussed there. Anything we need to actually say about the rangers can be said in the article on Aragorn. Going beyond that is an unjustified content fork.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Unnecessary dupication per nom.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per Necrothesp. I've added sections for "Rangers of the North" and "Rangers of Ithilien." Goustien (talk) 02:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per Necrothesp. I think the concept of the "ranger" is important, influencing not just the Ranger (character class), but also fiction like the Ranger's Apprentice. Strider (Aragorn) is the most important ranger in LOTR, but Faramir is also a ranger when he first appears, and a group of 30 rangers appears late in the book. The existence of rangers is evoked several times. I don't think this could all be covered in the Aragorn article.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I just see PLOT and trivial appearance info. The one sentence of Influence is good, but seems better suited for Ranger (character class). Rangers of the North seems rather crufty and list-mergeworthy itself. – sgeureka t•c 08:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge to Aragorn and stop messing about. Aragorn is certainly notable as a major hero of Lord of the Rings. No other ranger meets that standard, I think, but the term is a sensible search term that readers may use and they should be landed somewhere sensible. I note that the ranger articles (Rangers of the North, Ranger (Middle-earth)) have some reliable sources; these should be merged to Aragorn if they add anything to that article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support merge to Aragorn. I think everyone agrees Ranger (Middle-earth) is a bit of an unnecessary spin-out from... somewhere. 's solution might seem drastic, but it really does avoid a lot of nonsense. I don't think, even combined with Rangers of the North that this page would survive AfD. But, a clearly notable character like Aragorn would, and background on his people would truly improve the article. BenKuykendall (talk) 21:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per the arguments of those who suggested it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:9D13:46D2:7E86:16A2 (talk) 23:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.