Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rappy McRapperson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I am sympathetic to claims that items of internet culture should be kept; however, consensus has long been that to establish notability there needs to be independent sources outside of YouTube and someone's own website. It is not for us to establish notability - for that we rely on adequate sources, which are missing here.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  00:19, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Rappy McRapperson

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Notability not supported by secondary, independent sources. ZZArch talk to me 07:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Doesn't appear to have any assertion that would meet WP:MUSIC, let alone have reliable sources backing it up. - SudoGhost 08:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not Delete - According to section 10 of WP:MUSIC, the page should not be deleted. Mr. Katz (Rapperson) made the theme song to the Captain Underpants television show. Sources are in the article. - HollidayMasterofMystery (talk) 08:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Response: From that section: But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.  ZZArch  talk to me 08:35, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing anything about a television show for Captain Underpants, either on the article, or by searching on Google. That it may or may not exist is one thing, but if the television show isn't notable enough to find reliable sources for, then WP:MUSIC #10 doesn't apply. - SudoGhost 08:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Response: #4, has released two albums through an indie label that's notable. Scrub Club Records is the biggest nerdcore recording label (I'm sure you know that, SudoGhost) Rappy has released an album with Mc Wreckshin and one with Emergency Pizza Party Scrub Club has or had tons of notable Nerdcore rappers, and is very notable in the scene.HollidayMasterofMystery (talk) 09:06, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure the label itself is notable. The guideline expects it to be "an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable." ZZArch  talk to me 09:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Golly, sure it's notable! They're released stuff from MC Lars (for example), Funky49, MadHatter (also the head of Scrub Club), Kabuto the Python (aka Kasparov and DJ Snyder) YTCracker (Zealous1 is also listed as a band member, not to mention he is listed as notable in the Nerdcore article) and others. Lars and YTCracker are called "Notable artists" in the Nerdcore article. They've been around for a while, the exact year I have no clue. But, if you want to see how prevalent they are to the Nerdcore community, see . There's way more, but I have a google redirect virus and it makes life a whole lot more difficult than it needs to be. HollidayMasterofMystery (talk) 09:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete - Artist is definitely notable, as is the record label. Kythri (talk) 14:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As per what? I don't see anything that establishes any such notability. - SudoGhost 12:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete - There's just too much documented impact on pop culture and the nerdcore genre. -Indalcecio (talk) 15:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Where? - SudoGhost 12:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep as theme song writer and record producer. Sourcing is weak but tangible. Wikipedia is both a serious encyclopedia and a pop culture compendium and in my own personal view we shouldn't be overwrought rigidly applying the standards of the former to the latter. There has always been a low bar for contemporary muscians and bands, for better or worse, and this guy seems to clear it based on available sourcing. Carrite (talk) 17:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not redirect to Captain Underpants then, provide that someone writes about the TV show in that article? ZZArch  talk to me 18:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Because Captain Underpants is just one of many notable things Rappy McRapperson is responsible for. His music career spans more than 10 years now.  He's released 10 studio albums.  He's worked with Wing, PBS and many nerdcore arists.  He's had viral hits and radio play.  Music is all this guy does.--ChrisTomkinson (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete - Rappy McRapperson has collaborated with many major artists in the Nerdcore community and is very well-known for that and his viral hits.  He's worked on Biz Kid$ on PBS and he's written the theme song to Captain Underpants  which is a best selling kids book series. (Scholastic feature's Josh Katz video on their Captain Underpants page)  Everyone who has kids knows about these books, and DreamWorks (the movie company that makes the Shrek movies) has just won a bidding war for the movie rights to Captain Underpants which will be using the well-known Rappy McRapperson theme song.  Rappy is very notable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisTomkinson (talk • contribs) 17:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * — Note to closing admin: ChrisTomkinson (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. —  Mr. Stradivarius  ♫ 16:23, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I spent some time looking for reliable sources (under both names) but only came up with passing mentions in two blog posts on Wired.com, here and here. The Captain Underpants video appears to be only a YouTube video, although clearly the author of the books, Dav Pilkey is a fan and says so. The Dreamworks connection mentioned above is purely speculative. Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO.--CharlieDelta (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Response The Captain Underpants song by Rappy/Josh is more than "only a YouTube video." Scholastic books hosts the video on their own Captain Underpants website.   They refer to it as the "Captain Underpants Movie."  --ChrisTomkinson (talk) 20:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Response Sources have been posted that Rappy is apart/has released music through the biggest nerdcore label, Scrub Club. According to WP:MUSICBIO #5, this means he is notable. 97.103.196.132 (talk) 23:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. He doesn't appear to be mentioned at the Scrub Club website. I can't see any sign of the "two or more albums" there. He is mentioned only as a guest vocalist on the Wing website. The key thing about all the notability criteria on Wikipedia is that notability has to be verifiable from reliable sources. After a review of the guideline at WP:NRVE, I believe it is correct to say  that without the sources to verify the presumed notability, it is difficult to see how the article can stay here, however many impassioned voices pitch in. Of course, if someone can find the required sources, then the issue is probably resolved.  The refs currently used in the article don't cut it, unfortunately. --CharlieDelta (talk) 08:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Response: Please check my comment up a bit, it shows two albums he was released in under the Scrub Club label. Just because Hopsin isn't listed as a former artist under Sony, doesn't mean he wasn't (Ruthless Records folded into Sony) HollidayMasterofMystery (talk) 05:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Both albums you've highlighted above appear to be free downloads. The second of them only mentions Rappy as an "also featured" artist.  I'm not sure of the status of free albums in the WP:MUSICBIO criteria (all seems a bit like self-publishing to me) but if all that can be identified is one free album, a bit part in a second and a YouTube video (none of them verified by independent third-party sources) this seems pretty thin grounds for a notability claim.--CharlieDelta (talk) 21:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 01:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails notability per WP:MUSICBIO and really fails spirit of WP:BASIC. I looked at the reliable sources and there's only a passing reference to him, nothing in depth or detailed. --Ifnord (talk) 04:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not Delete - According to section 10 of WP:MUSIC, the page should not be deleted. Rappy is a MEMBER of Emergency Pizza Party, a Scrubclub group and is a Scrubclub artist both explicitly and implicitly. His albums are all hosted at nerdcorenow.com where he has won several awards that acclaim his noteriety and positive impact on the nerdcore genre.  Rappy and his "I'm a Gangster" is one of the most prolific singles in the genre.  - itsbeaker (talk) 08:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC) — itsbeaker (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * None of those seem to satisfy WP:MUSICBIO #10. - SudoGhost 19:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete - Rappy McRapperson/Josh Katz is very notable, not only in the Nerdcore hip hop scene, but also as a composer/performer for the extremely popular series of children's books known as Captain Underpants. Scholastic uses Rappy's song on their official Captain Underpants page and CDs containing all 22 tracks of the songs Rappy performed and composed  are currently being sold on all Major retail book sites.  Rappy starred in a TV show on Seattle Community Access Network for 2 years.   He performed at Nerdapalooza in 2011  and has collaborated with several Nerdcore artists over the years.  He's also written for Biz Kid$ and stared in a few skits.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisTomkinson (talk • contribs) 06:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|20px|alt=|link=]] — Duplicate !vote: ChrisTomkinson (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.


 * Delete, the sourcing is not just 'weak', it is 'practically non-existant'. Drive-by !voting aside, this quite clearly fails WP:N.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.