Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rashad Nabiyev


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Rashad Nabiyev

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Created several times, but searches suggest no indication of ability to meet WP:BASIC or WP:ANYBIO. — swpb T go beyond 14:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. — swpb T go beyond 14:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. — swpb T go beyond 14:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. The fact that this person is a chairman and a first person of one of the most important Azrbaijan's company like Azercosmos shows that the person is notable and article about him must be kept in Wikipedia. --Interfase (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way here is information about Rashad Nabiyev on web-site of Azerbaijani "Independent Information Agency" (Müstəqil İnformasiya Agentliy). So, the basic criteria is satisfied: There is significant coverage of Nabiyev in reliable independent secondary source. --Interfase (talk) 15:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * First, notability is not inherited – the notability of Azercosmos contributes to, but does not automatically confer, notability on its chairman. Nabiyev's notability must be established on its own. Second, the coverage you point is not clearly independent – the bulk of its coverage of the subject are two large quotes, one from another source whose identity is not clear, and the other apparently attributed to Nabiyev himself. — swpb T go beyond 20:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The sources with the information about Nabiyev are clear independent. By the way the web-site of Azercosmos where we have biographical data about Nabiyev is also independent reliable notable source, because it is not his own web-site and Azercosmos is not his own company, it is a government company. So, we clearly see that the basic criteria is satisfied at least by two sources. --Interfase (talk) 04:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * All you've done is demonstrate that you have not read (or not understood) the notability criteria, which describe what "independent" means. It doesn't just mean "written by a different person". Azercosmos is Nabiyev's employer: nothing they publish about him can be considered remotely independent, by even the most generous interpretation, government or not. This is simply not open for debate. Nor have you refuted the case I made that the first source you gave isn't clearly independent–saying it is, without showing how, does nothing. You need to understand something about deletion discussions: the administrators who decide the outcome don't just count up the votes – they weigh whether the arguments are sound in the context of established guidelines. I know you don't have much experience here yet, and I believe you're acting in good faith, but please don't imagine you've offered a valid case yet. — swpb T go beyond 14:02, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I clearly understand notability criteria and see that there is enough information in independent reliable sources (including site of Azercosmos as it is not own company of Nabiyev) showing the notability of Nabiyev. Independent Information Agency of Azerbaijan is also reliable independent source showing his notability. You may have another opinion but I think that my arguments (I didn't just voted as you can see) will be clear for administrators as well. --Interfase (talk) 15:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "I clearly understand notability criteria...independent reliable sources (including site of Azercosmos as it is not own company of Nabiyev)" Then no, you don't understand. Maybe you've decided not to understand. Some sources can be argued as falling in a gray area; the subject's employer is never one of them. — swpb T go beyond 17:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Here is an interview of Nabiyev in English to "The Business Year" with the biography of Nabiyev. One more reliable independent source showing the notability of Nabiyev. What else do you need? The book about him? --Interfase (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way the first two Additional criteria of WP:ANYBIO are also satisfied. In 2014 by the Order of the President of Azerbaijan Rashad Nabiyev for services in the development of space industry was awared with the Progress medal. As you can see the contribution of Nabiyev in his specific field was recognized by the President of Azerbaijan and he received a well-known and significant award of the Republic. --Interfase (talk) 16:08, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Now this is a bit more convincing. I don't know if it's enough, but I'm glad you dug it up and I hope you add it, sourced, to the article. — swpb T go beyond 17:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. --Interfase (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kagundu  Talk To Me  06:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   23:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can see he has done some things of note, and there is at least one good RS, but he really needs more than this to establish WP:NOT. As mentioned, the fact he is a chairman of a large company, and has won a medal doesn't automatically confer notability. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually does. Nabiyev was awarded with the state "Progress Medal" for his signidicant contributions in the development of space industry in Azerbaijan. According to WP:ANYBIO, the person is notable if he has received a well-known and significant award or honor (Nabiyev has received such one), or has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field (Nabiyev received the award for his recognized contribution in his specific field). --Interfase (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2018 (UTC)


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