Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rashid Minhas Road


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The result was   delete. The notability concerns expressed by the nominator remain. Although sources were located, they were not sufficiently pursuasive to sway the discussion away from delete. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:14, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Rashid Minhas Road

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Not clear how this might meet notability guidelines. Lacks references to 3rd party sources. Contested prod. RadioFan (talk) 13:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Rashid Minhas Road is mentioned in a number of references, but none seem to talk about the road in terms of notability, rather just noting the location of some event. It's possible the road really is notable, but the original editor has made no attempt to establish this, so delete without prejudice.-- SPhilbrick  T  17:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I have tidied this up, and added a category, but I have not attempted to identify the features said to be on it. The road is a long one for a city street, and appears to form an arc around the city through its suburbs.  It is certainly not a trivial road, whether it is notable, I cannot say.  Weak Keep as a stub?  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Here are some sources. It's rather hard to find because of all the non-relevant stuff that just mention the road.
 * http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-21490358_ITM
 * http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-136738117.html
 * http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-127145047.html
 * http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=194126
 * http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\25\story_25-12-2007_pg12_2
 * --Apoc2400 (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Three of the first four of the 291 Google News Archive search hits have significant coverage of this road: . Phil Bridger (talk) 20:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep It is a major thoroughfare in Karachi and there are numerous sources. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NOT. Not a guidebook, Not a directory etc. In any case what is so notable about this road or the person its named after. The only reason Rashid Minhas got Pakistan's highest medal was to tit-for-tat Matiur Rahman's BD one? Annette46 (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. This discussion is about Rashid Minhas Road, not Rashid Minhas, so personal opinions about the reasons why he received an honour and comparisons with other people are completely irrelevant. Could you please explain why you don't consider the sources listed above to demonstrate that the road passes the general notability guideline? Phil Bridger (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The road is as "not notable" as the person it is named after for the facts I cited. As I stated, the road article fails WP:NOT. Every non-minor road in the world will receive news coverage from time to time - accidents, deaths, advertisements, diversion warnings etc etc. The article itself is barely 2 lines long. The fact the the road is 22km long for instance does not make the road notable, neither does the fact the there is a Pizza Hut or Subway situated on it. Annette46 (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The sources that I linked are not about "accidents, deaths, advertisements, diversion warnings etc etc.", but reliable sources that provide significant coverage about the road itself. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. All 3 of the news articles you cited are about the same ongoing construction and upgradation of this road and have no enduring notability (see WP:NOT). Every non-minor road in congested Asian cities require upgradation and/or modernisation to compensate for the insane numbers of vehicles jostling for space in new consumer economies. BTW, one of your sources puts the length of the road at 5 km instead of the 22 km claimed in the article. PS, this is now a pointless discussion. Annette46 (talk) 19:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete As far as I can tell, it's just another city street. The fact of getting hits on it is not significant. Mangoe (talk) 17:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. As with the previous commentator, I would be interested to know why you don't consider the media articles about this road linked above to constitute significant coverage in independent reliable sources, as required for notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I cant speak for the editor you are directing the question at but for me, the links above dont constitute "significant coverage" where the subject of the article is the primary subject of the reference. Though the last one mentions Rashid Minhas Road, it essentially about another road and the next to the last one above is about the person the road is named for, not the road itself.  This reference demonstrates notability of the person but not the road.  The remaining links are fairly commonplace ones about planned construction.  If there were a number of reliable sources which cover the impact this road has on the area, on transport, or even socially or economically, my !vote would be different but that doesn't seem to be the case.--RadioFan (talk) 19:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. What would you say the primary subject is of the article headlined "City Nazim inaugurates work on Rashid Minhas Road", if not Rashid Minhas Road? And similarly for the other two articles that I linked. Please also note that I only looked at the first four of the Google News Archive results, because they already provided three good sources. Please don't make me read another 287 sources about such a boring subject just because you can't see that the subject has already been clearly shown to be notable. And the there are the 71 Google Books hits, which, just by glancing at the snippets provided, you can see include several with significant coverage of this road. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:11, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I can find some coverage for just about any street in DC too, because just about every street appears in the Wash. Post from time to time, even ignoring the real estate ads. The fact that roads need repair and have construction projects doesn't make every road notable. Mangoe (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete unreferenced article that claims notability with is a very busy road. MilborneOne (talk) 23:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per, well, almost everyone. Zero evidence that this is a significant street.  JBsupreme (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I did find that this article (www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-21490358_ITM begins to establish notability for the road itself. The part of the article I can see says that "modern (road construction) technology was being used for the first time in Karachi" for this road. It also speaks of its modern features (service roads, sidewalks, crosswalks, etc.) which may make this road different from others around it. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 16:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
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