Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rasulpur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Per WP:GEOLAND and with room for improvement. (non-admin closure) Zippybonzo &#124; Talk (he&#124;him) 17:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Rasulpur

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marked incomprehensible in 2019 and still is. BEFORE confounded by a village in West Bengal. There are literally no facts I can rescue here. If someone else can, well then respect, is all I have to say. Elinruby (talk) 03:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 May 1.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 03:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. More information about this village is probably available from Pakistan's census office and the national or state government office that deals with municipalities (or perhaps from an association of municipalities that publishes a directory). I did a bit of copy-editing which required some guesswork. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Unsourced since 2010 and full of likely OR. Various editors have worked on it, in some cases by trying to guess what was meant. We’re here to provide readers with reliable and properly sourced information. If someone wants to write such an article on this village that will be great, but until then we should not keep this mixture of personal account and guesswork. Mccapra (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  delete  Judging from GMaps there is a decent-sized town at the given location, in Pakistan, with something like this name, though it appears to get transliterated differently. But no sourcing means that I'd rather delete this and let someone write a decent article from scratch (under whatever is the best transliteration) than have this sitting here, unloved and largely crap. If it were going to prompt someone to improve it, well, it has had its chance. Mangoe (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on the sourcing added, I agree this article should be kept. Mangoe (talk) 02:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * delete as nom, and per Mangoe. For context, I frequently rehab incomprehensible articles about villages in South Asia. But there literally isn't enough there to even google further sources. I mean: "Doing our activities?" Bah. Epitome of a fact-free article Elinruby (talk) 00:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As you are the nominator of this AfD, your !vote is implied to be delete unless you later agree to some other resolution after new information has come to light. Therefore, it's best if you strike out the "delete" above and replace by "comment", else your !vote could be counted twice. See last paragraph under WP:AFDLIST. Cheers. Rupples (talk) 21:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as the move and the work done since nomination have addressed the worst of its problems, and it is no longer bad enough to propose overriding GEOLAND. I strongly suggest adding that source in urdu that someone mention, and an Elinruby (talk) 16:49, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Appears to be a separate, recognised settlement. The poor quality of the article is irrelevant to its existence. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment If I remove the unsourced material there will literally be nothing left of this article. And the unsourced text that is there is too vague to google for sources. I am aware of the general rule cited by above, but this is ridiculous. Elinruby (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing whatsoever wrong with a one-sentence WP:STUB. Any stub on a settlement has the possibility of expansion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:GEOLAND. The full name of this town is "Rasulpur Tarar":Local Government & Community Development Department, Election Commission of Pakistan, Sr. No. 168. It is a populated, legally recognized place. The article needs improvement, not deletion. Insight 3 (talk) 12:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP ... per WP:GEOLAND. I agree with the above argument that it needs improvement and not deletion...Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you going to improve it? That's the theory alright, but it's been not working since 2019 Elinruby (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hardly do any idle talk Elinruby, unless I am willing to try and do my bit of improving the article first. Added 4 new references to the article.... 2 references from the Government of Pakistan websites, Dawn newspaper and Google Maps website. Hopefully this proves that the locality exists. Removed some unsourced claims from the article. Passes WP:GEOLAND now. Best Regards...Ngrewal1 (talk) 23:34, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't actually question that the town exists. But I don't think your sources are great. Google Maps for example is not needed. The police blotter item is also I hope not serious. The list of towns in the district at least supports the sentence that says the place exists though, but if you want to use the source about the garbage problem you should write a sentence about that, especially since I am going to also remove the sentence about the completely different town. Which leaves us an article that says that the place exists and possibly also that it has a garbage problem. Surely we should do better than that. Also, I am willing to believe this is the same thing as "Pindi Bhattian" but this is not exactly self-evident and should be referenced. Elinruby (talk) 10:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:GEOLAND requires a place to be legally recognized and populated. The sources show that is the case. Obviously, populated places have garbage problems and crime issues. Also, as other participants argued, stubs are okay for existing towns. Moreover, as you are the nominator, you should not remove newly added sources and decide on your own what source is good and what is not. Let the community decide now. Insight 3 (talk) 11:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Pindi Bhattian is a municipal committee and the subject is a town committee of District Hafizabad. As I have already mentioned the source:Local Government & Community Development Department. Insight 3 (talk) 11:46, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * well, we don't use Google Maps as a source, period, from what I understand. If there is a rule that says the nominator should not remove sources, then I apologize; I rarely nominate anything for deletion, and it hasn't come up before in the AfDs in which I have participated. But here is my issue. We say that this town exists in this district, but the casual reader clicking the reference link finds a police blotter item about a suicide in the district, which does not mention the town, and a list of towns in the district that does not include the name we are using for this town. It seems like people feel I am being dismissive, which is not intended. I am actually somewhat interested in that part of Pakistan, although I don't claim to know much about it. But surely we can do a little better than this town exists and it has a garbage problem? There must be some history, given its location. Since someone has sorted out the sentence that was confusing me, I will actually volunteer to spend some more time on this in the databases. Maybe the article needs to be renamed? In any event the name I was searching was the one the article is using, and if we can do better with that name, I am even willing to withdraw the nomination. if that's appropriate. Fair enough? I won't be available to do this for several hours though. Elinruby (talk) 23:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article has been mentioning the District Hafizabad since its creation in 2010, so the town's name is actually "Rasulpur Tarar", not just "Rasulpur" which is in the Rajanpur district. If this is your concern, then it should be resolved now per WP:GEOLAND. As far as, I have searched, there are no articles about this town's history and other details. There is an Urdu book which must contain some history of Rasulpur Tarar as one of the district's towns:"تاريخ حافظ آباد" (The History of Hafizabad). And the source I cited earlier does mention town's name: According to police, Iram Bibi of Rasoolpur Tarar ....
 * Some news coverage in the Urdu sources is:, , this is all I believe for this town. There is also a page about this town on ur.wikipedia. Insight 3 (talk) 03:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Moved the page to Rasulpur Tarar since that's the full and complete name of the above village in the government of Pakistan records and also mentioned in the existing sources at this article.Ngrewal1 (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. While an article may pass WP:GEOLAND, WP:SNG states that topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article, though articles which pass an SNG or the GNG may still be deleted or merged into another article, especially if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found. Therefore, even though this place has been confirmed to exist, it doesn't necessarily preclude deletion on lack of sources for encyclopedic material, so the nomination has foundation in policy.


 * Nonetheless, on balance I'm moved to keep in the expectation there's likely material to expand the article. As a start, here's one uplifting news story that could be included . Rupples (talk) 00:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.