Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ratonhnhaké:ton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. If editors are interested in a possible Merge or Redirect, please start a discussion on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 22:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Ratonhnhaké:ton

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Article's reception is mostly pulled out from game reviews and only a passing mentions about the character (also contains listicles that does not directly talk about the character). I also disagree with the character's native American name being the title anyway as its not his common name at all. Trying to do research with WP:BEFORE shows nothing (at first glance). Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 23:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC) No stake in the article title, but resolving that can be handled outside of AfD via the WP:RM process. -2pou (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge into/redirect to List of Assassin's Creed characters. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Per WP:NEXIST - as expected there is significant commentary about his indigenous background in books, such as Manifest Destiny 2.0 pp. 67-68, and Virtual History: How Videogames Portray the Past. That combined with the TIME article about him and this (which is not 100% interview) makes me think that he just barely scooches past notability and it is a WP:SURMOUNTABLE issue. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:22, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I should also note that the books, at least, use Ratonhnhaké:ton as his primary name, the devs went through pains to pick a unique Native American name for the character, and since he is also mainly notable due to his heritage, I'm not sure Connor is fitting. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Still ruminating about this, so no position yet. List of Assassin's characters is already a severely bloated article and a coatrack for cruft so I am not sure if it is an appropriate merge.
 * Part of the reason why the nominator may have had issues finding sources as part of WP:BEFORE is that the character's likely common name would be Connor, and from my experience that's how the majority of reliable sources have mainly referred to him in their discussions. So we shouldn't keep the current title while the majority of sourcing insist on discussing him as "Connor" most of the time, hence Connor (Assassin's Creed). Haleth (talk) 22:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: One could theoretically throw the entire reception section in the trash, and this character still meets GNG based on coverage of character creation alone. An entire piece in Time covering creation is half way to GNG already, plus the already used Billings Gazette piece gives enough coverage to character creation beyond just the portraying actor.  That's already multiple sources, and the additional material uncovered by  could only improve the article further if utilized.
 * I say keep Ratonhnhaké:ton's wiki article due to other main Assassin's Creed characters having their own article pages like Altair, Ezio, Haytham, Edward and ect. So it wouldn't be fair to Connor if he wasn't given his own wikipedia article since both his father and grandfather both have one. So I say keep the article page up and leave it alone. 108.14.232.17 (talk) 16:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

*Withdraw With Zx findings, the article seems to be barely notable now. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 11:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As someone already !voted to merge the article, and Haleth has indicated they're not sure about their stance on it, withdrawal would be a type of WP:SUPERVOTE. See the "withdrawal supervote" section. I would not suggest withdrawing unless ALL editors are in favor of keeping the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. I previously bold merged the article when it was Connor (Assassin's Creed), not because I felt that there's no reliable sourcing providing significant coverage, but because the article at that point (and as is now) was more or less a regurgitation of plot info and I didn't feel particularly inclined to improve the article myself at the time. That said, the other editors seem to agree that whatever coverage exists justifies the existence of a standalone article. I do believe however, that a name change discussion would be in order to change it back to Connor (Assassin's Creed) so that might cause less confusion with whether the character does in fact have WP:SIGCOV, but that is outside of the scope of this AfD. Haleth (talk) 01:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wasn't aware there was a previous page that got redirected. It seems to have been rewritten under the current title, but it should be checked for any evidence of copy and paste moving due to attribution issues. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.