Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rattikorn Kunsom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus for deletion here, with the sources found not swaying any of those who are arguing for deletion from their view that the notability guidelines are not met. Davewild (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Rattikorn Kunsom

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Effectively unsourced BLP (no sources, just an external link that is related to the subject) The Banner talk 20:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Unable to find any in depth coverage from reliable sources. Subject fails WP:BASIC and WP:1E. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Subject has won a national beauty pageant, about two weeks ago. That alone should be enough to presume notability, analogous to other notability guidelines on people, like national sports champions. (I couldn't find a guideline on beaty queens, off-hand, but I think there is something like that.) The photoes are all over the web, I added some sources, some have text with desciptions of her. She will appear in the news quite a bit when the international beauty pageant, to which the one she won is affiliated, will happen later this year. Kraxler (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, more related external links (= no sources) and still just one event... The Banner talk 14:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The Bangkok Post is a reliable metro newspaper, like the New York Times. The other refs are not "related" to the event, except the official site. The other refs are news outlets that talk about this segment, like music magazines talk about music without being related to the musicians. But yes, it's only one event so far. As I said, there should be a guideline for national beauty queens. In the absence of one, I'd like to say that "in-depth" coverage for beauty queens should consist in the publication of their images, not of written texts, because they are notable for their beauty, not for their utterings. Kraxler (talk) 15:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Routine smattering of press release style coverage for appearing in a minor pageant. Tarc (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A national beauty pageant is not "minor", and winning is not adequately described as "appearing". Your !vote looks like you WP:DONTLIKE it. Kraxler (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * When I actually value your opinion, I'll let you know. There are apparently already several well-established pageants in Thailand, this is a newcomer as as of yet does not appear to be that big of a deal.  "Winning" a non-notable pageant does not guarantee notability for the subject. Tarc (talk) 19:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 18:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: Winning a national beauty competition is not always winning a national beauty competition, inasmuch as there is some proliferation of the pageants. Given that her promotion is apparently outside of the "Miss Universe" structure, it's very hard to say that this is a clear indication of notability. I'm sure that this is a great accomplishment, but not sufficiently clear notability for Wikipedia. Hithladaeus (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Winning a national beauty competition is definitely winning a national beauty competition, especially in a place where beauty is highly appreciated. See more in-depth coverage here:, , , , , , etc. Her name in Thai letters gives 83,700 google hits. She's certainly a major celebrity in Thailand. Besides, she was among the Top 10 in the Thai Supermodel contest in 2013, according to her article in the Thai Wikipedia which is well sourced. I'll add something here too. Kraxler (talk) 22:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But still the article has no sources conform WP:RS. The Banner talk 22:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * All sources I added conform to WP:RS, and all except the offical site of Thai Supermodel, are also independent sources. I suggest you read the guideline again. Besides, apparently you didn't get it yet, so I'll spell it out for you: Miss Grand International is based in Thailand. The winner of Miss Grand Thailand will take on the rest of the world, at home. Moreover, in developing countries to win a beauty pageant is the dream of a vast majority of girls, and the actual winners are envied, revered, adored, and talked about in the media, no end. That is the essence of notability and the subject of this article is a major celebrity in Thailand, as is demonstrated by the many sources. The notion that newspapers in Thailand would need, or even take, press releases to report on Miss Grand Thailand is absurd. All major media have their own correspondents there, at the pageant and later at any event where she appears. Kraxler (talk) 16:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Clearly there is a difference of opinion on this and the related AfD. I think that after endless back and forth it is time to admit that we are not going to reach agreement and further debate is pointless. We will just have to let other editors weigh in and hope for consensus. I stand by my delete vote based on the source coverage being trivial and incidental. Subject fails GNG and BASIC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.