Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rattling Blanket Woman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Crazy Horse. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Rattling Blanket Woman

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Unable to locate any significant biographical details in secondary sources. Being mother to Crazy Horse does not presume notability, and Wikipedia is not a genealogy. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 16:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 16:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 16:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge. I see even shorter articles about other Native Americans, such as Crow Foot and One Bull, after clicking on just a few other articles in the Lakota people category, so that seems to be fairly normal. Perhaps there should be a WikiProject drive to fix this issue, either building on these stub articles, incorporating them into related articles, or deleting all of them, but at the moment this article seems to be in the norm, and it contains information that does not occur in any other article, including Crazy Horse. There is a section in Crazy Horse's article ("Genealogy") where the unique information from this article would fit well. --Iritscen (talk) 17:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I did a thorough search for biographical information about this person before proposing (PROD), and then nominating it for deletion. You suggest "building on these stub articles".  How would you do that for this particular article? Magnolia677 (talk) 17:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you did do a search for more information on her before nominating, I guess I don't have any suggestion on how to build on this article. I'll settle on a merge position then. I think it's relevant to Crazy Horse's background and childhood to mention the suicide of his mother and her replacement by a sister. --Iritscen (talk) 00:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete nothing in this article suggests anything about Rattling Blanket Woman is notable. People do not gain notability from their children.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Cf. Mary Anne MacLeod Trump 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. There's extensive discussion of Rattling Blanket Woman in The Sioux: Life and Customs of a Warrior Society (2012), but I'm not sure if it's the same person. Crazy Horse is mentioned in the same book, but from a cursory search I didn't see her relationship to Crazy Horse described. pburka (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. In my Google Books search, an excerpt says, "Rattling Blanket Woman later married and had three children, two girls and a boy." It's odd that it doesn't mention Crazy Horse by name there, considering his notability. Also, the article under discussion lists one girl and one boy as offspring. I suspect it's another woman by the same name. --Iritscen (talk) 17:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge with Crazy Horse. Like those before me, I can't find sources that suggest Rattling Blanket Woman is notable in her own right. (And the sources in the article are explicitly about Crazy Horse, not Rattling Blanket Woman.) I agree with earlier discussion that the Rattling Blanket Woman in The Sioux: Life and Customs of a Warrior Society is likely not the same one this article is about, so that rules out really the only possible source. I wavered a bit between merge and redirect because I'm not sure to what extent the information not currently in the Crazy Horse article about Rattling Blanket Woman is actually relevant enough to Crazy Horse to merit inclusion in the Crazy Horse article. But I'm leaning merge with this one just because the sources seem to support this info being relevant to Crazy Horse. Can't see a reason to delete when a merge/redirect is pretty obvious in this case. Samsmachado (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with the above stated article. As much as I love any article about Indigenous/American Indian women she does not meet the requirement for notability in and of herself. She is an important figure in history, especially as it relates to American Indian history, through her son, Crazy Horse. A merge into his genealogy is appropriate and will still give her recognition.Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm concerned about merging this article into the genealogy section of another article, when a longstanding consensus has been that Wikipedia is not a genealogy. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I actually agree. I don't think that articles should have genealogy sections, except to mention notable ancestors or relatives. My feeling about the current state of the Crazy Horse article is that the "Early life" section and "Genealogy" subsection are disordered and contain a little too much information, but they don't really give a general family tree that would violate NOTGENEALOGY. There is actually very little unique information in "Rattling Blanket Woman", but I would argue that it still belongs under "Early life". When I look carefully, I'm not actually sure that there's more than a single salient fact about his mother that is not already in "Crazy Horse", which is that she committed suicide due to feeling that she had been replaced. I think that certainly deserves mention in "Crazy Horse". --Iritscen (talk) 12:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge -- Her notability is only derivate (inherited) from that of her son. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no such rule or guideline. If you mean WP:INHERIT it is an essay that recommends arguments to avoid during deletion discussions. No one during this AfD is arguing Keep because of her relation to Crazy Horse. Please read the essay it is often misunderstood. -- Green  C  20:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge Again it seems she is not notable in her own right.Slatersteven (talk) 13:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge She appears to be significanty documented, but not notable in her own right. -- The Anome (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge, per above. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge sources and content. -- Green  C  20:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


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