Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raven & Kreyn (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is a narrow but emerging consensus that the article can (and should) be cleaned up, not deleted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:07, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Raven & Kreyn
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No significant coverage. A majority of sources found only cover their songs. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Last AfD was closed with a weak no consensus on a single delete vote. Jalen Folf  (talk)  20:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Jalen Folf   (talk)  20:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  Jalen Folf   (talk)  20:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - no evidence of passing WP:MUSICBIO. We typically delete articles about DJ's, especially those whose forte tends to be just remixes. There is an impressive-looking wall of references, but AllMusic (footnote 1) doesn't even mention them, and about 20 of the others are unreliable. Bearian (talk) 21:41, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, per JalenFolf and Bearian. Edwardx (talk) 22:19, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearian. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets criterias 1, 2, 4, 5, and 12 of WP:MUSICBIO, while at least one is required. Added Allmusic references with their artist names and real names (see footnotes 34, 35, 36, 37, 39, and 47). Looking at their discography, they're not remixes artists as supposed by Bearian and all references can be found on any music streaming platform such as iTunes or Spotify. Also there is significant coverage in EDM press such as We Rave You, Dancing Astronaut, EDMJoy. FlangerDude (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC) — FlangerDude (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Hi, can you please give links to two or three sources that have significant coverage about them and that are WP:Reliable sources Atlantic306 (talk) 23:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I will object to both criteria 2 and 12 of this statement for two reasons. My objection to Criteria 2 is that Beatport's charts are not considered national charts and therefore are not enough to meet this criteria. As for criteria 12, none of the stations sourced in prose are even national radio stations, but rather are merely internet radio stations run by music artists. I cannot comment on their contribution to the criteria at this time. No comment on the other criteria mentioned here. Jalen Folf   (talk)  01:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Atlantic306, here are a few links i found on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Astronaut and We Rave You, first one should be reliable since it has its own article on Wiki: https://dancingastronaut.com/2018/02/maxim-schunk-raven-kreyn-name-feat-bishop/, https://weraveyou.com/2017/01/raven-kreyn-with-you/, https://weraveyou.com/2016/07/steff-da-campo-raven-kreyn-chicago/
 * Hi JalenFolf, I agree with you about criteria 2, i couldn't find anything about national charts. However it is stated that they debuted radio broadcasting on the national french radio Fun Radio, which is one of the biggest national radios in France. There's also a video, and official content from Fun Radio linked in the sources. Still, they meet more than 1 criteria, so they don't fail WP:MUSICBIO. FlangerDude (talk) 02:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as they have been featured on a national radio station but as well as Dancing Astronauts it would help to have some more significant coverage in reliable sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lord Roem ~ (talk) 22:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - The current version of the article has way too many unreliable sources to prop up minor events and associations with other people (see WP:CITEBOMB), but the act has achieved a small amount of notability in France and some notice in the genre press. The article should be cleaned up and reduced to verifiable facts, but that is a different process than deletion. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:11, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: not the genre of club dance music I like at all, but these guys are pretty well known in their genre of dance music and I would think it's very likely that there are features on them in the major dance music magazines... but as ever, because these are not available online, this can't be verified. Richard3120 (talk) 00:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep They count more than 100+ millions streams and have been signed by the biggest labels of the industry such as Spinnin' Records, Universal Music, Warner, Atlantic Records etc. They even made some shows on Tomorrowland (2019). I don't think there are many arguments to make this article deleted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.221.109.136 (talk) 21:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


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