Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raven Rockette


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The result was   delete. ‑Scottywong | soliloquize _ 03:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Raven Rockette

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No nonscene awards, only nominations. Negligible independent, reliable sourcing. No reliably sourced biographical content. Claimed mainstream roles are insignificant: for the TV role, she was essentially an extra in a comedy bit; the movie role was an unbilled role as an unnamed "escort". PROD removed on the specious claim that AVN scene awards established performer notability, despite the PORNBIO consensus otherwise. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Per WP:PORNBIO, one of the criteria is winning a major and well known industry award. AVN Awards qualify as major and well known, do they not? And per the article reference, she won AVN's "Best All-Girl Group Sex Scene" for Meow! 3. That specific AVN Award is listed with other major awards on this page, which was specifically created to list notable pornography awards for use in determining notability. Meow! 2 is listed there; Rockette won the AVN Award for her scene in Meow! 3. Ergo, does not in fact seem to fail WP:PORNBIO, or at least that is my reading of it. WP:GNG is another matter, however. As a newbie to AfD, can an article meet something like WP:PORNBIO but fail WP:GNG and thus be deleted on those grounds? Or does meeting criteria like WP:PORNBIO imply also meeting WP:GNG? BloodDoll (talk) 22:39, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply. Not all AVN awards meet the PORNBIO standard. PORNBIO #1 states plainly "Awards in scene-related and ensemble categories are excluded from consideration". The consensus on this point has been upheld repeatedly in AFD discussions, eg   . The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 23:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply. Aha, I missed that line entirely for some reason. Thanks for pointing that out. BloodDoll (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & discussion above. BloodDoll (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete as sadly not really notable. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  03:41, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Userfy - I agree with Wolf's assessment, but since this performer is so new to the industry and since she's gained enough attention to win anything I feel that this article should be archived to the creator's Userspace in consideration that the situation may change and out of courtesy for the cumulative Editor effort put forth thus far. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 15:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails the relevant notability guidelines for this type of actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. As far as the two mainstream roles in the articles go, the Brand X appearance doesn't actually specify that she was an extra ("essentially an extra" sounds more like an opinion), and the Blood of Redemption role has her character unnamed, but not unbilled (those two terms don't necessarily mean the same thing). Besides, her appearances in both of those roles satisfy point #3 of PORNBIO. (I wouldn't object to the article being userfied though.)  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 16:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * delete blps that don't meet the Gng = epic fail.... Spartaz Humbug! 22:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.