Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ravi Oad (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Given Azkord's new source, this is a soft keep, with no prejudice towards an early renomination; but such an early renomination should be probably post 3-6 months with a common sense appreciation of source strength Lourdes   04:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Ravi Oad
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WP:BLP1E violation. Sole claim-to-fame is winning a music-reality-show, the likes of which are spawning like anything, over the recent past. &#x222F; WBG converse 12:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep The previous AfD only ended 3 days ago, with 5 keep votes and no delete votes except the Nom's (which was withdrawn). What justification is there for another one, and especially so soon? Winning a notable music competition means that he meets WP:MUSICBIO, it is not a violation of WP:BLP1E. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , read my reply, below. &#x222F; WBG converse 13:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Just like Rebecca has said, opening the nomination this fast while the former one just days ago had a VERY rare on AfD clear Keep consensus (I will say 2 Keep arguments were very weak, and even if we exclude the author argument which will obviously be biased as he created it he did use a rational argument, and there was still enough consensus to make). Ravi may not meet WP:GNG (and may meet that as well if I go now analyzing the references but there is no need for that), but WP:MUSICBIO criteria 9 is met Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition.. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , I don't care for what a troll was nominating days back. He is globally-locked now, FWIW.
 * And, BLP1E is a policy whilst NMUSIC ain't. &#x222F; WBG converse 13:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:15, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
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 * Speedy Keep Nepal Idol is international reality show & as a winner of Nepal Idol it doesn't violate BLP1E and Rabi Oad has released other music videos too and has called up for internation concert tour . So, if you want to put afd like this than put afd on each and every pageant winners, reality show winners, gold medalists. He hasn't won Nepal Idol in one day it took 5 months. Till 5 months he was appeared on National Television of Nepal Ap1 HD & BBC won't joke and make news. Azkord (talk) 13:23, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , making music videos and going for tours does not have any significance towards improving notability-quotient. &#x222F; WBG converse 14:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * than delete WP:MUSICBIO point no 1,4,9,10,11 and 12. He is Nepalese citizen not indian research first before asserting or putting afd.Azkord (talk) 14:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , I added DELSORT-INDIA because the number of experienced editors from India far exceeds Nepal. &#x222F; WBG</b> converse 14:15, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what. Wikipedia has it own terms, rules and regulations. You can't add india (it's totally wrong) cause article is related to Nepal not India. Azkord (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Go, write some quality-articles. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 14:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't get out of the topic and don't be personal. I did my best and this is not related to these afd topic. Azkord (talk) 14:33, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * have you seen this article Pranav Dhanawade? -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  15:15, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

WBG first name some quality articles created by you. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  14:35, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep He is the winner ofer Nepal Idol. I think the Nom quite biased. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  14:16, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete and/or redirect to Nepal Idol as a clear violation of WP:BLP1E. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS (talk |c|em ) 14:22, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - He'd won the show on 21 Dec however sources are slowly coming out: BBC, NewsofNepal and baahrakhari - I only found these by searching "रवि ओडलाई" however not being Nepalese I don't actually know if that's his name or not, It's worth noting not all newspapers etc are quick to get things out it all varies by country. – Davey 2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 15:33, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , that's not the point. I fail to see why NMUSIC shall carve an exception for BLP1E esp. when the former is the least followed (and probably, the most inclusive) of all SNGs. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 16:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I never said he does meet NMUSIC - IMHO the closest he comes to NUMSIC is #9 (Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition.) but for me that's not enough for keeping, I personally would say he meets BASIC by a very bare minimum, It's tough as you're indeed correct he's at present only known for one thing but on the other as I said IMHO he looks to meet BASIC,
 * I wouldn't lose any sleep if this was deleted put it that way, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 16:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep He has garnerd some publicity, but I am not sure it is enough to keep, but maybe.Slatersteven (talk) 20:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to Nepal Idol - It's extremely hard to evaluate this person's notability, given that none of the references are in English, but assuming that the article text accurately represents the maximum information in the sources, this does indeed boil down to WP:BLP1E, even if one accepts that the competition involved is "major", which I have doubts about. If and when the subject does have a true, actual international tour (not just a one-off gig), the article can be easily recreated. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:02, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Nepal Idol per Beyond My Ken and WP:BLP1E. FitIndia <b style="color:blue">Talk</b> 16:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I am close to change my opinion on this analyzing things around the subject and in article. But what...what is the point of WP:NMUSIC Criteria 9 then? Should the guideline itself change if it gets clashed with WP:BLP1E like here? Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have consistently said that NMUSIC is one of our poorest guidelines and has hardly any relevance with the current community interpretation of policies.
 * Written in the early-2000s, it was essentially an individual endeavor for a wiki-project consisting of pet-likings and this reinforces that. About 4 months after that, somebody tried to mention at the top that it was not any policy. He was reverted for technical-reasons and somebody then branded it as a guideline; without any rigorous community-discussion.
 * Silence is often equated to consensus and it has stayed at the top, ever since.....
 * Over the archives, the author of this guideline made an interesting comment during those spans:--.....''these are all only guidelines and will not preclude any article being nominated for deletion, nor, once nominated, deleted . Meaning all these guidelines should evolve over time -- rather than argue over specifics, maybe we should argue over actual articles.
 * As may allude to, changing criterion of notability guidelines is one of the most difficult stuffs to do, over here; unless and until you can cite multiple AfDs/discussions which proves beyond doubt that the community has already firmly rejected that particular criterion of the guideline.
 * Taking cue from both the above points, I will say that the first step to alter/remove such erroneous criterion is to !vote in contrary and set a precedent, over multiple AfDs. Over this sphere, policies reflect practice, largely. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 19:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to Nepal Idol, per Beyond My Ken and WP:BLP1E. Kierzek (talk) 15:49, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Nepal Idol per above. Sportsfan 1234 (talk)
 * Redirect to Nepal Idol (deleted or not) and protect (as the redirect could be reverted) for at least a year. Changed my mind based on the good arguments from Winged Blades of Godric, WP:BLP1E is just evident here. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Taking cue from both the above points, I will say that the first step to alter/remove such erroneous criterion is to !vote in contrary and set a precedent, over multiple AfDs. Over this sphere, policies reflect practice, largely. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 19:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to Nepal Idol, per Beyond My Ken and WP:BLP1E. Kierzek (talk) 15:49, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Nepal Idol per above. Sportsfan 1234 (talk)
 * Redirect to Nepal Idol (deleted or not) and protect (as the redirect could be reverted) for at least a year. Changed my mind based on the good arguments from Winged Blades of Godric, WP:BLP1E is just evident here. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Nepal Idol (deleted or not) and protect (as the redirect could be reverted) for at least a year. Changed my mind based on the good arguments from Winged Blades of Godric, WP:BLP1E is just evident here. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 18:49, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment He has done his first international tour at Japan  and meets WP:MUSICBIO now so i request other users to look carefully before giving any opinion thanks. Regards,  AD  Talk 19:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment If "Over this sphere, policies reflect practice", as &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b>  says, and, if, as they also say, since the early-2000s, editors have been following the WP:NMUSIC guidelines over multiple AfDs, then the established practice is what is stated in WP:NMUSIC. As for "pet-likings", there has been a succession of pet-dislikings with the earthquake and supercentenarian AfD campaigns - I do not look forward to a similar one about music-related articles. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , umm..... you can do better than taking a line out-of-context and creatively interpreting it. I don't have any ideas about how earthquake and supercentenarian AfD campaigns are 'any'' relevant over here. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 06:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NMUSIC. Competing in, and winning, a major TV talent competition that was televised over 5 months is not 'one event'. --Michig (talk) 20:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep (and possible strong procedural keep per rapid re-AfD). Primarily I think Azkord's comment and Michig's argument have worth and are sufficient (via different routes) to demonstrating BLP1E doesn't apply. Nosebagbear (talk)
 * Notability rule comment - Then there's this attempt to start amending notability rules on the grounds that it notability changes require a de facto prior shift in AfDs. This, unfortunately, has some validity to it - the school notability argument keeps getting re-litigated because the AfD consensus clashes with the general editor population. However an out and out argument that this is the way to do it sounds a concerning drop. At a minimum it would be worth raising it at least at WP:VPI first. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


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