Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ravina Project Toronto


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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 09:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Ravina Project Toronto

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Seems to be some non notable local project. Has a good ref in the The Globe and the Mail article but there does not seem to be any ongoing coverage to make this pass our notability criteria. Per my assumptions this seems to be a work of someone related to the project and the references indicate some local notability at best  Jupitus Smart  17:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep - marginal notability - while receiving some coverage by national newspapers, like the Star and Globe & Mail, it is a one-house private project, not a significant movement - but their record-keeping and published results to show the actual effect of alternative energy sources is innovative and significant, therefore notable - Epinoia (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The 1st ref from Star has provided exactly one sentence mentioning the project, which does not seem like much to me. Same goes with the CBC article below. The 2nd ref from The Star is an example of why this has nothing more than local notability - the project is a couple's personal campaign to combat climate change, and it gets news value only because of the uniqueness associated with two old people working on a project nobody usually expects from their ilk. I am not considering Torontoist (which incidentally also has only a single sentence), as I don't consider blogs as reliable references.  Jupitus Smart  16:37, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Ravina Project Toronto - Response to Proposal to Delete
Hi there, I am not highly proficient with Wiki editing, but I disagree that the project is not notable. Please note a "local" issue is not considered not-notable, based on the Wiki criteria. And to the extent it is "local" - Toronto is a big and important city - many local Toronto places/events/people get Wiki pages. It has been covered by the CBC, Toronto Star, & Globe and Mail over many years, some references of which are on the page. The page links to articles from 2007, 2008, 2016 & 2017. There are other articles besides (see below) - but my availability to edit is sporadic and limited. Please feel free to edit the page to add the CBC interview below. You mention only one Globe & Mail article, but what about the two Toronto Star articles referenced, or the Toronto Observer piece? I attend climate conferences regularly in Toronto and heard about the project through those conferences - including on the Toronto Environmental Alliance website. I have never met the people behind the project. If someone hears about the Ravina Project (like I did) they should be able to find out more on Wikipedia. That's why I added it. I hope you'd consider improving the page rather than just tagging for deletion.

One last point - it's not easy to get solar panels in Toronto, even in 2019. I know it is in the USA. I have been trying for years and finally reached out to these folks on Twitter to find out how they did it. But they got panels so long ago their contact was unable to help me. I'm not sure if they were the first residence in Toronto to install solar panels, but they might have been. They remain one of the few, even after all these years. Give the page time.

Here's the list of reasons for deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Reasons_for_deletion.

And more about notability:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_is_not_temporary

I think of all the criteria, notability is the most subjective. If major newspapers covered the project over more than 10 yeas, I'd argue that's dispositive.

There's a reference to a CBC interview here:

https://www.franciscanvoicecanada.com/blog/the-ravina-project

And this might be the interview:

https://www.cbc.ca/recivilization/episode/2012/02/

And another article here:

https://torontoist.com/2012/02/meet-a-toronto-danforth-candidate-craig-scott/

SabaBPC (talk) 16:08, 3 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 20:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * DELETE - WP:GNG The google search (all google, not merely news) generates less than 20 results, the top-ranked of which are of the 'things to do near this place' variety. One of the Star articles merely mentions that they attended a local conference, and the Observer is a local college paper (and FWIW, I don't believe the writer actually interviewed the subjects). The straight-up articles (Globe, Star) are basically the same interview and then there is a second Star article (with a very local flavour — headline begins 'Riverdale couple...') that is pretty much a rewrite of the first Star article. I think that what they're doing is kind of interesting but the coverage is mostly about its novelty and not its significance. I might feel differently if I saw references to this data being utilized. ogenstein (talk) 11:06, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:07, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I made a small edit to address this concern. The Frasers spoke at the OGRA conference last year, reporting (among other things) that a flat orientation of their panels improved energy generation in the winter, and references to their project in a book.

I did not have time to include all of the above references. Or this one: https://www.gn21.ca/can-older-homes-be-cozy-and-fossil-free. Another speaking event.

Again - Wikipedia is supposed to be a place where you can go to find out what something is. People in Toronto are hearing about the Ravina Project. They should be able to come here to answer the question "What's the Ravina Project?"

It doesn't have to be "notable" in the way Napoleon Bonaparte is notable. Just notable enough that people might hear about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ravina_Project_Toronto


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