Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray's Hell Burger (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. I do not know how this escaped being closed--it's 11 days now, and the consensus seems clear  DGG ( talk ) 06:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ray's Hell Burger
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WP:ONEEVENT. The Eskimo (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a restaurant; how can it be a "person notable for only one event"? – iridescent  17:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Well, the concept still applies, but as it may be confusing to an editor who clicks on the WP:ONEEVENT link I provided, I will expand on my nomination.  The restaurant is not notable. It got a lot of press mainly for one event happening there (two world leaders eating lunch), and some positive regional buzz because it appears to be a very popular restaurant.  Every town has a popular restaurant that gets a lot of write-ups, usually because the food is good or is a unique dining experience, but we do not have Wikipedia articles for them.  However, not every restaurant has had two world leaders eat lunch there, which is the one event that sets this restaurant apart, and which lends to notability.  The event itself (the meeting of the two world leaders) may be notable, and if that particular event has it's own article, then Ray's Hell Burger could be merged into that article.  BUT, as it stands now, the article is promotional in nature, listing trivial facts such as menu toppings, and relying on a picture of the President eating there as a claim to notability.  Hope that clears up what I meant by wp:ONEEVENT.  Sorry if there was any confusion :) The Eskimo (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Way to completely miss the point. The reason "we do not have Wikipedia articles for them" isn't that restaurants are non-notable; it's purely that nobody has got round to writing those articles yet. I don't know what point you're trying to make here, but the precedent for "restaurants are notable if they're received coverage in reliable sources" was set following an insanely long discussion. If you want to change our notability guidelines, the place to do that is Wikipedia talk:Notability or set up an RFC, not to unilaterally tag something for deletion with a spurious reason. – iridescent  18:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand your point...I just don't agree with you. You asked a question, and I answered it for the sake of clarification. I'm sorry that you think my reasoning is spurious, or that I have gone about this AFD in the wrong way. Why don't we just wait and see what happens? :) The Eskimo (talk) 00:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I agree with Iridescent's point, if not his tone. This restaurant is extremely well known in the area (I live not far from it) and it has received significant press in the local media for its food, and in the national media for the events The Eskimo related. In my opinion, it definitely meets notability guidelines. Foregone conclusion t|c''' 14:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Whatever grounds one wishes to use, either the spirit of WP:ONEEVENT or a simple WP:NOTNEWS, this is not an article-worthy topic. A one-trick-pony of a restaurant that only received a scattering of national press because Obama brought a foreign dignitary there.  Beyond that, there's just routine city paper sources.  And I scoff at the notion that the "Mzoli's meats" (a link to the actual discussion) AfD sets some sort of precedent for this, as that discussion was tainted by a nauseating amount of Jimbo-is-always-right-isms. Tarc (talk) 14:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Procedural note - Unless a clear consensus develops either way, this should get an auto-relist when the time comes. It was nominated on the 3rd but never added to any AfD-for-today log until the 8th. Tarc (talk) 14:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep. While I would have deleted this in the discussion last July, this nomination covers the same grounds and nothing has changed.  Unless either the article, policy, or precedent establishing consensus has significantly changed since then, I tend to think that one nomination is enough.  Moreover, it seems unlikely that this local establishment would not have been chosen by the President for lunch with a foreign dignitary unless it had some kind of fame or reputation prior to that event, and the article seems to bear that out.  Culturally significant local landmarks can get articles. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nominations are like french fries-- one is never enough. Since the last one closed as "no consensus", it wasn't exactly a mandate.  I tend to agree with the nominator that this restaurant's only claim to fame is that Barack Obama ate there a couple of times.  One might as well write an article about the McDonald's on Georgia Avenue based on this, which was front page news nationwide, but not historically notable. Mandsford 18:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep due to large amount of press attention before after and during its one big claim to fame. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  04:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Since I did a lot of work improving the article in the last AfD, I can easily say (once again) that it is notable.  Never heard of it before the AfD, but found tons of sourcing.   To be clear, this restaurant was arguably notable even before Obama went there (twice) due to the tons of local mainstream news coverage, beyond 99% of restaurants.  It has not only received coverage for one event.--Milowent • talkblp-r  06:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic is notable. The reference to WP:ONEEVENT is irrelevant because this is not a BLP.  And even if it were, there would be no occasion to delete as there is no separate article for the main event in question.  See Plymouth Rock and Cemetery Ridge for examples of other one event places.  Colonel Warden (talk) 07:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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