Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Apollon


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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) –CaroleHenson (talk) 17:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Ray Apollon

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I am not finding information to establish notability for this individual, per WP:GNG and WP:Notability (sports). I see that he is a professional wrestler, who participated in fights in many countries, but I am not finding a book, newspaper article, or other source with information about what makes him remarkable. –CaroleHenson (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 15:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 15:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment tricky one this; we have no SNG for WP:NWRESTLING, so according to WP:NSPORTS, we have to use the criteria of WP:ENTERTAINER (!!!) ("Any athletic entertainment event where the results are at least partially predetermined or scripted is not covered by this page. For participants in such events (e.g. Professional wrestling), see WP:ENTERTAINER"). Part of the problem is the sourcing of course. Now, bearing in mind that he subject died in 1997—the vast majority of coverage on him will be in the dead-tree press (e.g., ), not online. However: by that standard, any online discussion of someone who is dead so long before the medium existed merely emphasises their notability. I.e., if coverage has seeped from the offline, to the online, it can be taken that the original coverage must have been even greater. Such discussion has indeed occured:, , , , . As for specific claims to notability required by WP:ENTERTAINER. I suggest:
 * Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions: He won the World_Wrestling_Council's Trinidad & Tobago Heavyweight Title in 1981 (and, indeed, is listed as doing so in our own article), and also World Heavyweight Champion, . Now, these titles (national and international) are presumably the equivalent on premier level participation as required by NSPORT, and also the "significant role" with presumably a concomitant "fan base or a significant "cult" following"—inate to westling!—and I guess the so-called "coconut butt" could well constitute the required "unique...or innovative contribution" to his sport. Taken together, it seems that Apollon won some pretty notable titles in his day, and passes our notability requirements—not the least WP:ANYBIO, which asks that a subject have made a "recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." Cheers,  —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap sh*t room 17:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, ! Great job! I would be happy to withdraw the nomination based upon the information you found.


 * Are you at all interested in improving the article based upon this information?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:19, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


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