Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Chang (pastor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 22:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Ray Chang (pastor)

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Non-notable local pastor. Natg 19 (talk) 23:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Christianity. Natg 19 (talk) 23:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There appears to be a different pastor named Raymond Chang, but is not the same as this person. Natg 19 (talk) 23:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Random priest, not notable. Deathlibrarian (talk) 00:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Cursory search confirms lack of independent sources. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 00:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 04:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Ok, there's two local news stories linked, archives of copies of them from Ambassador Church's website, but they purport to be WaPo and OC Register--two great RS'es. Chang doesn't appear to be there anymore, per this which is a press release from about a year ago, but indicates that he's still a person of some more influence than just your run-of-the-mill pastor of a single church. This move to Wheaton may also connect the article  identified, but that's not entirely clear.  Regardless, this needs more looking into than the above !vote tally would indicate. Jclemens (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Searched with the terms " Ray Chang (pastor)" and "Raymond Y. Chang" but nothing significant was found. Fifthapril (talk) 04:27, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, Does not meet notability. Alex-h (talk) 13:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete although the WaPo piece is good, to me he's mentioned incidentally to the church. What about a redirect? Star   Mississippi  14:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , where do you propose to redirect to? Natg 19 (talk) 17:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you think the church is notable? I know it's currently an EL but do you think it's article worthy? What I saw when looking for coverage on Chang made me think there might be enough for N:ORG. Star   Mississippi  18:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Lacks sufficient sourcing for a BLP article. Without more evidence of what he has achieved, I have to assume he is a NN run-of-the-mill pastor.  If the article established that he had planted a dozen churches, if would of course be different.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet GNG Bruxton (talk) 18:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


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