Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Jones (Canadian politician)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Ray Jones (Canadian politician)

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Local city councilors are not inherently notable, although for larger cities (i.e. Toronto) they do tend to be kept. I don't think this extends to Calgary by default. While he was the recipient of various awards (two Queens Jubilee award/medals for example), these were awarded to hundreds of thousands of people worldwide (and upwards of 40,000 in Canada alone), so I don't think that is significant enough to warrant notability by default. The article is made up of noting these awards and election results, and while I am somewhat on the fence, I lean towards deletion for this marginal BLP. kelapstick(bainuu) 15:02, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete, without prejudice against recreation if somebody can do better than this. The actual standard for presumed notability of city councillors is global city status, which has been historically presumed to include Calgary (as well as Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa, for a total of six Canadian cities) — but that said, consensus can change, and I can see a case for reviewing whether Calgary and Edmonton should actually continue to qualify or not. (We did revisit the question of Winnipeg's historic presumption of notability last year, and consensus yanked it — so there are valid grounds for revisiting whether certain cities should retain that status or not.) All of that said, what we need to make an article about a city councillor valuable is substantive content about his political career (such as his actual positions on specific issues, specific civic projects he spearheaded or opposed, and on and so forth.) But apart from the repetition of basic election results that are already in the election articles anyway, the only other content present here at all is the non-notable community service awards, and Kelapstick is entirely correct that those aren't notability claims per se. If the article contained some actual substance about his career in politics, I'd be down with the keep — but all it actually does is list his successive election and reelection statistics, in a way that offers nothing that a reader can't already get just by following the results tables in the election articles themselves, and there's no point in keeping an article like that. Bearcat (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think as a rule Calgary could default to keep as far as city councilors go, provided there is substance to the article or notability outside that role. But as you say, the article should be more than just a regurgitation of election results, which are available elsewhere. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:13, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Ward 10: Veteran councillor Ray Jones says this will be his last term''] in the Calgary Herald fall 2017. I was looking for some indication that he is notable for some issue, some impact, but the best the reporter could do was "longest serving" Calgary councilman. Ping me if I missed something, but it really does look like a case of non notable politician.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:03, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete not an automatic WP:NPOL pass, and doesn't appear to meet GNG, the only independent coverage I find is akin to which is pretty trivial. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes the SNG for Politicians as the elected city council member of a major metropolitan center. The population of Calgary is approximately 1.25 million. Carrite (talk) 10:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Leaning Delete, Calgary is on the borderline in terms of scale. Ran a quick search for non-routine coverage, found [http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/ward-10-veteran-councillor-ray-jones-says-this-will-be-his-last-term ''


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