Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray Royer


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The result was   redirect to Procol Harum.  MBisanz  talk 00:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Ray Royer

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Part of a notable band but does not pass WP:MUSIC alone. HeureusementIci (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd prefer it it this article was NOT deleted. I've stubbed articles for all of the Procol Harum members, including Ray Royer. It's my intention to go back and start to flesh them all out. I think we should keep this for two reasons:

1. He was a member of the band when they recorded A Whiter Shade of Pale ("record certified gold or higher in at least one country"). While he did record the song, but the cut they eventually released didn't include him. He is featured on the 'B' side.

2. Consistency - It's going to look odd that all members of Procol Harum, except Ray have an article related to them.

Stormcloud (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 09:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC).
 * Delete WP:MUSIC states "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." Royer has not demonstrated such notability - at least according to the article. Consistenc is irrelevant in this instance. Dancarney (talk) 12:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect for the reasons given above. Consistency is irrelevant. Being a member while an important album is recorded is not notability independent of the band. Duffbeerforme (talk) 13:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect, subject has no notability beyond his participation in the band. Nuttah (talk) 14:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment No objection to redirecting instead. HeureusementIci (talk) 00:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Object OK, I expect I'll loose the vote but I'm going to give this a try ;-). WP:MUSIC says "A musician .. is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:" which include (from section 3)"Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country". Since the "A Whiter Shade of Pale" has done this I think he should be included. Now I come to check my facts I see that he is on both the issued version of AWSOP and the 'B' side (Line Street Blues). He is also notable for his work in the bank Freedom (somebody remove the link I put in); he appears on the soundtrack for the 1969 Italian movie "Nerosubianco", and according to the imbd is a member of the cast. Before we delete or redirect (or even keep?) this article could somebody suggest a way of verifying how noteworthy his work in "Freedom" and "Nerosubianco" are. Stormcloud (talk) 14:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe that your objection falls under the scope of User:Dancarney's note on individual members of notable bands, above. Do you disagree, and if so, why? HeureusementIci (talk) 17:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)