Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raymond Apple (rabbi)


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The result was nomination withdrawn, speedy keep. I thank User:Capitalistroadster for rewriting the article and adding ample references. Yechiel Man 13:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Raymond Apple (rabbi)

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Procedural nomination. The author of this article "bulldozed" a speedy A7 tag but did not address underlying concerns regarding notability and conflict of interest. Yechiel Man 18:54, 17 June 2007
 * Comment: Authors are not allowed to remove CSD notices from pages that they create. The tag should have been replaced, and the author warned with uw-speedy. 19:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Looks like they were and the author warned. I'll re-add the tags now.  Kwsn (Ni!) 19:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.  -- Mattinbgn/talk 20:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per original nomination. COI of author - page really seems to be intending to promote OzTroah website.Garrie 21:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete A7. Looks like it's already been tagged. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 21:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Tentative Keep. If the content of this article is correct, then he is clearly notable. That would suggest that the article should be cleaned up to address the COI issues, not deleted. There is certainly a claim to notability. --Bduke 23:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 'Keep first off, it can not be a speedy if it asserts importance, and "Doctor of Laws honoris causa from the University of New South Wales and an Honorary Fellow of Sydney University and holds the Distinguished Alumni award of the University of New England (NSW)". An honorary degree is an assertion of importance. As for whether he is important the offices would seem to be but it needs a source. As the Great Synagogue (Sydney) does not have a WP article, I cannot tell if this is informally considered the chief rabbi of Australia. Certainly needs editing, and I've removed some of the fluff. Certainly needs at least one good source, but unsourced alone isn't a reason for deletion.DGG 00:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 00:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 00:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Raymond Apple was Senior Rabbi at Sydney's Great Synagogue between 1972 and 2005. Google News Archive and Google News both have articles referring to him. Needs sourcing but that can be fixed. Should definitely not have been speedied. Capitalistroadster 03:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG and Capitalistroadster. John Vandenberg 04:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NN. With all due respect and k'vod haTorah v'kavod haRebbeim, this article is simply not encyclopedic. -- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 04:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The original article was a copyvio. I have rewritten it with sources. Capitalistroadster 06:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per rewrite by Capitalistroadster. Davewild 07:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.