Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rayongwittayakhompaknam School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Rayongwittayakhompaknam School

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Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. A Google failed to yield sufficient in-depth coverage from reliable secondary sources to establish encyclopedic notability. Additionally, the article is completely unsourced, thus failing WP:V and has been tagged for more than ten years w/o any significant improvement. Article was previous tagged for Prod (2014) but tag was removed. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Thailand. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment - Note that searches are complicated here by the language conventions in naming which mean the name of the school on this page is wrong. This should be "Wittayakom Paknam school" located in Rayong, or perhaps with alternate English orthography of "Wittayakhom paknam school". That still doesn't turn up much. "Wittayakom school" gets a few more including a couple of book mentions, but at this stage I am not sure if that is the same school. Noting this information now for the sake of anyone else conducting searches. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So "Wittayakom" is a type of (senior) school it seems. The name of this school is "Paknam school" in Rayong, also rendered "Pak nam" school. Under that name I find a lot more information. E.g. Google: . I'll have to do some reading now. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You've got it the wrong way round; Thai language places modifiers after nouns, so you have to translate terms in reverse of the English order. "Rayongwittayakom Paknam" is the name of the school. It's a daughter school in Paknam of Rayongwittayakom School, hence the name. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I got that far, but Rayong is the place, and isn't wittayakom the type of school? But useful information that is is the daughter school of another with a page. I'll modify to merge on that basis. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Witthayakhom (and spelling variants) is just a common suffix that's sometimes combined with the province name to form the name of the province's main government school; it doesn't carry any actual meaning by itself. Each province will usually have one or two government secondary schools recognised as the main school for that province; these schools often (but don't always) have the province name in their names. See below regarding the merge suggestion though. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's helpful. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete but I will happily move to redirect if a target can be found. (ETA: Merge to Rayongwittayakom School) (ETA2 - new comment below). I have reviewed all the sources I can turn up. Wat Paknam school is a different school, but I think I searched thoroughly through all English language sources of Wittayakom Paknam school, searching all references to Paknam and Pak nam school. There are book mentions, and a few news paper mentions. Book mentions are directories, the newspaper mentions incidental (e.g. an Elephant race started at the school, but doesn't seem to have had anything to do with the school). In a pollution incident, 140 students at another school were moved to this school temporarily, and in this thesis paper, students from the school were studied. Schools are not inherently notable, and this is not enough to pass GNG. One major caveat is that I speak no Thai, and there may be more sources in Thai. If SIGCOV can be demonstrated with Thai sources, it would be a keep, but as things stand we have no evidence of SIGCOV, and certainly not in the article. If there is a page  about Rayong schools, it could be redirected there. It could also redirect to Rayong, although that page currently says nothing about education.  Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Updating to merge. As above, this is the daughter school of another in Rayong. They would sensibly be treated together, especially given the lack of sources for this daughter school. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't really think merging would be desirable. "Daughter school" here mostly just means that staff from the original school gave some assistance in the establishment of the school. Sometimes schools are named as daughters of more famous schools just for marketing purposes. In reality they're completely independent schools with unrelated operations. Between deletion and merging to the other school, I'd prefer to delete. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. Rather than chopping and changing, I'll let this sit a couple of days to see if there are any more views or any better sources. Or, indeed, any better redirect targets. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 04:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are considerable Thai-language mentions in student football news, mostly match reports. Quite a few passing mentions from organizations hosting the school's students for various activities. Not much in terms of independent in-depth coverage though. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - I meant to come back to this sooner, sorry. Having considered Paul 012's insights, I agree that merge may not be the best in this context. There is primary sourcing on the school but not secondary sourcing. As such it does no pass WP:GNG. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


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