Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Razhel Mengullo


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 04:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Razhel Mengullo

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Fails WP:CSD.

*Delete - Even though this looks like a super-obvious delete or speedy delete, I suspect the article writer could argue that the media coverage plus the awards, etc., ought to constitute notability. But there's no assertion of notability, and I think the reasoning in these cases really has to be "covered b/c notable" not "notable b/c covered" (this is a problem I've noticed in other discussions of notability, too). Jlg4104 (talk) 12:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC). Woops, ok, I realize what I just said sort of confuses the very idea of "notability" as applied in WP ("significant coverage" itself is indeed on of the criteria). I have to think some more, but not about this nomination-- it's still a delete for me. Jlg4104 (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC) Reliable sourcing is the most important factor. Assertions of notability must be sourced from somewhere other than the individual or organisation under discussion (see secondary sources); if referencing a tournament title, the organisation which ran the tournament would be the first stop; if the subject of an article is an author, the publisher or ISBN of the subject's work should be given. '''A single local newspaper article is probably not enough to assert notability, but national mention with some details or multiple local sources that "make a case" for notability. A lack of any sources after looking around is a warning sign that an article may not be notable enough for inclusion.'''Jjskarate (talk) 03:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable subject. User234 (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per A7. THF (talk) 16:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete nn. JJL (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WikiProject_Martial_arts for martial artists. jmcw (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete material IMHO JBsupreme (talk) 04:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: Why doesn't this person qualify under the criterion: "finalist in a significant event"? No one comment on the significance of the events and to make a well-educated final decision the closing admin needs reasons for that, rather than votes without an explanation. - Mgm|(talk) 12:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You raise a good question, and I'll have to withdraw my "delete" suggestion while I think about it. I really don't see the point of including every person who wins some medals in some events somewhere, since that could result in millions of (to me) pointless pages, but I don't yet see the WP guidelines sufficient to marshal here in my favor. If somebody could help me with the policies and "caselaw" here, I'd be delighted, since I still see no reason for such an article to exist ("She won this and that and this and that..."-- to what notable outcome? a record-breaking performance? the youngest ever to do XYZ? the first X person to do Y in Z event? etc.) J L G 4 1 0 4  01:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the events in question are not significant. She is an 11 year old elementary school student who won or placed in one of many, many divisions at some local tournaments. Press coverage is trivial, passing mentions in long lists--where is the coverage about her? JJL (talk) 01:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Seems to have won some arguably notable events, I've tried to wikify the page somewhat. I can't find any coverage of these events though so I'm unsure as to whether they actually qualify as 'significant' but considering that one is Olympic I am going by the assumption that my sport-reference-finding powers are not exactly well honed. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - National winner in the country. Philippine Olympic Festival is one of the anticipated and established national sports events in the country with the full support of Local Government Units, National Sports Association and the Philippine Olympic Committee.Mmaasia (talk) 00:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sports achiever and won numerous medals including national championships in the Philippines. Notable athlete in the country and the official flag bearer of Visayan delegation with secondary sources backing it and with Online Citation in the Philippine Olympic Website; http://2007.philolympicfestival.com/default.asp General points
 * Note to closing admin: Please consult the related AfDs Articles_for_deletion/James_Guanzon, Articles_for_deletion/Seth_Jego_Balibalos, and Articles_for_deletion/Aaron_Lubrico, and the former AfD for the school at which these kids study, Articles_for_deletion/JJS_Karate_Dojo. JJL (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Secondary sources are substantial.Pinoynewbreed (talk) 23:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


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