Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reader Rabbit 3


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  J 947  21:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Reader Rabbit 3

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Non-notable version of game. Not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show that it can stand alone. Should be a redirect to the main game.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep notability has been established by the new reliable sources in the article. Deltasim (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Breaking news: I have identified that Reader Rabbit 3 is actually the same game as Writer Rabbit after a bit of sleuthing. This AFD is void.--Coin945 (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi - If you could list links to show it is the same game, that would help other editors make a decision. Please do not remove the AfD tag until this discussion is resolved.  Onel 5969  TT me 00:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * So far I have only seen this firmly established in one source. (The Project RIMES 2000 project Annotated Bibliography of Computer Software for Teaching Early Reading and Spelling identified Reader Rabbit 3 as: "Reader Rabbit 3 (formally known as Writer Rabbit)". I have examined images of both games and have identified almost identical minigames, simply wrapped in a different theme (party vs. newspaper). I also noted that this established that Math Rabbit and Writer Rabbit were both remade in 1993. TLC was known for re-releasing and updating old games so I found it very strange that "Writer Rabbit" was just left untouched. This makes much more sense. While that all counts as original research, I do think it is interesting that my own research backed up the assertion. This is enoguh to establish the connection at this early stage.--Coin945 (talk) 05:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - Thanks for the citations. Now editors can make up their own minds. Take care.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Deltasim. Enough external sources now. South Nashua (talk) 14:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the new sourcing in the article. Lepricavark (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - May arguably meet the minimum bar set by GNG per the PC Mag and Working Mother, but I'm not certain if a stand-alone article on this version of the well-sourced Writer Rabbit is as useful as if it were just a subsection of the Writer Rabbit article. My initial impression is that there may be a good argument for merging here. To clarify, is Reader Rabbit 3 nothing more than a different localization of Writer Rabbit? Or (as seems to be suggested above), is it a remake/enhanced remake? -Thibbs (talk) 14:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's more like an enhanced remake. Essentially, RR3 has the same minigames as WR, but they are framed within a new setting. Rather than helping the protagonist prepare for a birthday, the protagonist is now working at a news organisatin where they are writing stories. I have one source that says "Reader Rabbit 3 (formally known as Writer Rabbit)", which justified my decision to merge some information, mostly as a safety net for this article which was initially PRODded and now at AFD.--Coin945 (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Compare these two images. What's your impression?
 * Writer Rabbit screenshot
 * RR3 screenshot
 * Comment - I'm not sure if this qualifies as a reliable source but there are three newspaper pages, which have the title "Writer Rabbit 3" written in the list of games for sale. I do not have direct access to the pages, but I found them via a Google Search:


 * https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/101947051/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/101979563/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/145698500/

While this may seem like a typing error, it seems too much a coincidence on three different pages, unless of course the OCR text is wrong since Reader Rabbit 3 is also included in the lists. I know that Reader Rabbit 3 was released seven years after the original Writer Rabbit and the newspapers date 1988. It's possible that "Writer Rabbit 3" was a working title for the remake. Could be worth looking into if anyone has full access to the newspaper pages. Deltasim (talk) 18:05, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * They actually say "Writer Rabbit 3"" - many (if not all) of the listed games have 3" after the title.--Coin945 (talk) 19:05, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Unless of course the number 3 stands for something else, such as 3 and half inch floppy disk. So those sources are out of the question. Deltasim (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


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