Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Duel II


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The result was   Delete. No reliable sources is the correct conclusion. Fram (talk) 09:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Duel II

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This is an article about a future TV show without any sources. A Google search for "the duel II" returns no results about this TV show, except a TV.com discussion which refers to this Wikipedia article. A search of the MTV web site shows no TV show called The Duel 2, The Duel II, or other similar title. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. (see WP:BALL) Latish redone (formerly All in) (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, no reliable sources for this show's existence.  Corvus cornix  talk  18:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this page should remain in tack for now. Since all the sources have been listed.74.193.223.111 (talk) 00:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, I added a source. The cast leaves tomorrow for Panama City. More information will be forthcoming in the near term to improve the quality of the article. Zredsox (talk)
 * The only source I see for this is a webforum, which is not a reliable source.  Corvus cornix  talk  19:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Vevmo's editors are in touch directly with the cast members as well as the production sources at BMP (the show's creators) and MTV (the show's broadcaster.) When Vevmo announced the Real World Hollywood Cast in December 2007, it was subsequently picked up by more mainstream outlets over the following weeks (although not announced by MTV for another 4 months.) They have a solid track record of factual reporting in this micro genre. Zredsox (talk)
 * Pleas read WP:RS. A webforum is not a reliable source.   Corvus cornix  talk  06:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It says clearly: Web forums [snip..] Some however, are edited by reliable organizations, and therefore may possibly be justified as exceptions. - In this case it is a reliable organization with a track record of reporting factually the casts and locations of this particular series. Zredsox (talk) 13:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, I have reviewed the content of the site and with only the exception of the show title which actually has not yet been finally determined, all remaining information is accurate as sourced through previous series cast members who declined or were unable to accept the invitation to participate in this challenge.  Further confirmation exists on the myspace page of a show producer whose present location is identified as Panama, the cited location of the show taping.  If I could cite myslef as a source for the article I would, since I represent one or more cast members whose names appear in the article, unfortunately to so identify myself would compromise my client(s). I must wonder if the person who wants this article removed is a contract lawyer for the production company. Let free speech rule!Reailyagent (talk) 01:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


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