Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reality-on-the-Norm

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - kept, but articles on individual games should be merged into the main page. - SimonP 15:12, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Reality-on-the-Norm
A gaming community centered around submissions of games generated by a freely available adventure game creator. The official web site for this game has an article that says 'Richy has created a RON entry at Wikipedia, which can be found at'... indicating one of their own has created the page. The forums at the official site has just 194 registered users at the time of this VfD submission. It gets worse. They're in the process of creating character pages for each and every one of the characters from their 60 or so games. -- Longhair | Talk 14:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete vanity -- Longhair | Talk 14:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Actually, the front page is wrong, I didnt create the page, It was here already, I just put a lot of work into it, and posted in the forum, asking for help updating it. The admin, put that on the main page. Also google returns 1750 results for "reality on the norm".--Richy 16:31, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This is true. I found this entry about 2 months ago, and all that was presented here was the brief two/three sentence description present at the top, which is in itself woefully inadequate. When Richy said he wanted to improve the article, I offered to help.--Dark Comet 18:05, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment -- If you wish to vote to Keep your article, please indicate that in your comments thanks. I'm open to change my vote if notability can be proven. You are welcome to continue work to improve your article whilst the vote is in progress. -- Longhair | Talk 17:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Games-cruft. I guess we can keep (an edited version of) the main article, but there is no need for separate articles on every character in every game - delete related character and game articles.  SteveW | Talk 17:56, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Note to RON people - why not create your own wiki at Wikicities for this? Articles on the game's characters are likely to appear on Votes for Deletion - there is a debate as to whether individual pokémon are important enough to have their own articles and many more people have heard of the pokémon characters than the characters in your games.  If you do make a new wiki at wikicities, there could always be a link to it on the main Ron article if people wanted more detail.  SteveW | Talk 17:56, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I can see where you're getting at. I think it would be important to keep the main article itself, but RON is a pretty detailed project, and the current layout will mean at least 80+ different pages. Popularity doesn't really come into the equation with claims of vanity, but even the most popular thing in the world will be hard justified to cover 80 or so seperate articles...
 * Comment: How about this for a slice of fried gold - a Timeline of notable events and stories, with some of the more important characters thrown in for interest? That way we can stream it down to about three or four new pages (maybe not even that) and make it look presentable and informative. Would you agree to keep it then? Richy, whaddaya say? Dark Comet 20:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think what's being inferred is that your game(s) may be notable, but expanding any information about characters is going a little overboard. Focus on reworking the main article, and consider deleting all the character / game cruft in the remainder of the articles. Vanity usually refers to people making pages about themselves in a vain effort to gain exposure. Whilst this may not be the case here, you're certainly contributing to the artcile to improve it which some may see as vanity. Adding character information about your game won't ensure its' articles' survival here. Proving your game is notable to those outside your own user base is what we require. -- Longhair | Talk 20:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. Thats a good Idea about the cities thing. Ill work on it asap--Richy 23:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep the main page, Merge or Delete (as relevance demands) the individual characters and user-created games. If a single game is relevant enough that an encyclopedic treatment of it alone becomes necessary, it could break out, but I would probably err on the side of brief summaries of some of the most popular games in the main entry for RON. ESkog 04:21, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: That's a excellent notion, ESkog. I'll see what I can do over the next few days. In the meantime, if notability is what you want, check out this article published on an outside adventure gaming website. -- Dark Comet 13:22, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


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