Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reb Moshe of Tzfat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  19:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Reb Moshe of Tzfat

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Non-notable teacher. Article was created by its subject. All sources I can find are either to his own websites, myspace, or youtube, or similar sites. Corvus cornix talk  21:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * (Comment): The article is not being written by it's own subject! There is more information to be added during the next few days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeodorTodorov (talk • contribs)
 * So are you saying that User:Reb Moshe of Tzfat is not Reb Moshe of Tzfat? In that case, the account needs to be blocked for impersonating another person.   Corvus cornix  talk  21:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - not notable and huge COI issues --T-rex 21:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That this isn't a notable teacher is a personal opinion, needs to be proven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TeodorTodorov (talk • contribs) 21:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not the way it works in Wikipedia. It is incumbent on the article's writer to prove notability, not for others to prove he isn't notable.   Corvus cornix  talk  21:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you into jewish orthodox studies to know if someone is a notable teacher? The article is to be edited until it contains only biographical infos, and no connection to any kind of advertisement. reliable sources and quotations are to be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TeodorTodorov (talk • contribs) 21:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides, the main editor of the article is TeodorTodorov and that is not Reb Moshe of Tzfat — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeodorTodorov (talk • contribs)
 * What I am is an experienced Wikipedia contributor who knows that Wikipedia's notability criteria require that reliable sources be provided as to the subject's notability. If you can find reliable sources that prove that he's well-known in Jewish Orthodox studies, then please do so.  This discussion is open for five days, we can revisit the notability any time in the interim.   Corvus cornix  talk  21:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TeodorTodorov (talk • contribs) 21:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  14:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - he is NN and notability needs to be established, not everyone is notable until proved otherwise. The page now is entirely self-published materials and reads more like a MY SPACE self promotion. No significant external sources or citations were produced, it is COI and self-promotional. We have deleted many Outreach rabbis in the past- even those with brief mentions in local newsletters or brief interviews on Jewish talk shows.--Jayrav (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment As always, in order to include an article on a subject the subject has to be notable. The basic requirement to establish notability for an individual is to show that the person has been discussed substantially in multiple reliable sources. Religious and general medias ources are permitted, and there's some latitude as to what's an appropriate source to establish notability in the field. Right now most sources are internal. Even if sourced properly, article would need to be significantly cut because relatively little of its content is covered in outside sources and an article on an individual or organization needs to reflect its independent coverage, it can't be self-promotional. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 01:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Firstly, based on the self-disclosed information on User 's page it is clear that he is also the subject of the Reb Moshe of Tzfat article. He also fails WP:NOTABILITY because while he may be a nice young rabbi, he is no different to thousands (probably even tens of thousands by now in the 21st century) of other Orthodox Jewish outreach rabbis performing the mission of Kiruv ("Outreach to mon-Orthodox Jews) such as the Chabad shluchim, and others, including many belonging to the Breslov (Hasidic dynasty), and many of them have websites and blogs and would still not merit full Wikipedia articles. At this time, this article clearly violates Conflict of interest (formerly known as WP:VANITY), WP:NOTMYSPACE, WP:NOTADVERTISING, and even the user's user page violates WP:NOT. There are also serious problems that a subjects so relatively current does not have WP:RS and hence fails WP:BIO. IZAK (talk) 06:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - This article probably should be deleted based on our notability criteria. However, I'm concerned that the coldness of this process has been a bit unwelcoming and has unnecessarily chased off a new editor with unintentional newbie biting.  I see the new editor has blanked his user page and not returned. -- M P er el  18:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Miri: The only thing that User blanked is two lines about himself: "Teodor Todorov (1982- ) born in Gabrovo, Bulgaria. Currently studies Business Administration at the University of Saarland in Saarbrücken, Germany." and why would he blank that if it was true? What is there to hide? While generally I agree that newbies should be welcomed, in this case it seems that User  right from the outset has been breaking rules. Just look at the User talk:TeodorTodorov page and you will see that his first article/contribution was about himself! It was quickly nominated for deletion, and instead of learning the lesson he then proceeds to do the exact same thing with the subject of a rabbi. This is puzzling. Was he doing that so that the rabbi (Reb Moshe of Tzfat) should be forever miscontrued and lose his chances for a good article or was he up to some other trick? It seems that User  is not as clueless as he is letting on. If he has genuine questions there are many places to learn, such as at WP:SANDBOX or WP:TALKJUDAISM. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


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