Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebeca Minguela


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The result was delete. with no objection to later WP:REFUND.  MBisanz  talk 21:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Rebeca Minguela

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Non-notable individual. Article should be CSD, but CSD was removed by suspected sock. Support is trivial (brief quotes) or not about article subject. A lot of unrelated "references" are associated with the article. (Coat Racking?) red dogsix (talk) 03:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - Could you be more specific on references that are "trivial"? There are even a Harvard Business School case supporting most of what is written in that article:


 * References (mostly from relevant newspapers and publications) support everything stated:
 * PUBLICATION -AWARD ANNOUNCEMENT - http://www.travolution.co.uk/articles/2012/10/24/6113/travolution-awards-2012-the-winners-revealed.html
 * PUBLICATION -AWARD ANNOUNCEMENT - http://www.centrodeinnovacionbbva.com/blogs/emprendedores/post/conoce-los-20-finalistas-de-bbva-open-talent-2013
 * MAIN WEBSITE FROM DLR WITH PAPER - http://elib.dlr.de/22230/
 * TECHCRUNCH http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/09/groupon-blinks/
 * PUBLICATION -AWARD ANNOUNCEMENT- http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/travel/travel+app+of+the+week-252766.html
 * PUBLICATION - http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/08/26/building-a-startup-as-a-global-business/
 * PUBLICATION BLINK -http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/10/x-0
 * PUBLICATION BLINK - http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/tecnologie/2013-04-25/unapp-prenotazioni-albergo-lastsecond-090501.shtml?uuid=AbVTyPqH


 * ETC ETC ETC


 * Please be specific on references that you need. RogueKhan (talk) 03:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogueKhan (talk • contribs) 03:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - See also Harvard Business School case, on Rebeca Minguela and Blink Booking, supporting most of what is mentioned in the article:
 * https://hbr.org/product/Blink-Booking/an/813121-PDF-ENG
 * http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=43759
 * RogueKhan (talk) 03:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep - There are almost 1,000 relevant entries about this specific person in Google and 8,000 about Blink Booking (the company she started and was sold to Groupon, which is a publicly traded company in NASDAQ). There are also plenty of references and cites by important publications naming this person. RogueKhan (talk) 19:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I only see 182 for "Rebeca Minguela" (using quotes) and far from all of those are usable to establish Wikipedia notability. The Blink Booking GHits are irrelvant as Wikipedia notability cannot be inherited.   red dogsix (talk) 21:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I see exactly 936 using "Rebeca Minguela" in Google "Rebeca Minguela". Blink Booking Ghits are relevant because that is the startup that she founded and was CEO at. Blink Booking was sold to Groupon (NASDAQ: GRPN) in Sept 2013 and was also widely advertised. RogueKhan (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Sorry, go to the last page to see the real number. This is a bug with Google.  I'll say it again, the Blink Booking GHits are irrelvant as Wikipedia notability cannot be inherited. They may be important for establishing the notability of the company, but not for her notability.   red dogsix (talk) 21:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Would you mind defining "notability" so your concerns can be addressed properly or the article be deleted? The person has been interviewed by most important publications in Spain (El Pais, La Razon, Expansion, etc), mentioned in a Forbes article and Speaker at several global events (Argentina, Spain, USA, etc), among them the highly recognized Harvard Business European Conference, sharing panel with the Director of the European Commission for Entrepreneurship RogueKhan (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Interviews are primary support - they can be used but must be used in conjunction with adequate secondary support. Blogs are typically not verifiable or independent.  Just being mentioned in an article is trivial support.   Take a look at WP:42, WP:N, and WP:BIO for some help in established the criteria.  red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 *  Keep Comment - Article was supported with both primary and secondary support from important independent publications (El Pais, TechCrunch, Mashable, Il Sole 24 Ore - important Italian newspaper- etc) not just from blogs or other websites, with relevant interviews with the person in question. Why are "mentions" just trivial support? An example of a "mention" from Forbes article: "Another LGV case centers on 2011 HBS alum Rebeca Minguela’s model for Blink Booking, a website based in Spain for last-minute travelers that she cofounded and modeled on the US company Hotel Tonight. Blink offers a mobile application that provides same-day booking of boutique hotels across Europe, taking advantage of market price differentiations to determine the “best last-minute price” for users. Minguela’s larger goal, Kerr says, is to create a global replication platform that will encourage more entrepreneurship in Spain. Blink Booking served as a springboard for the class to discuss what makes a good candidate for international replication, along with the structure and ethics of these platforms.. References, support and cites seem sufficient to prove notability of this person RogueKhan (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - what else is needed to close this discussion, so article is either kept or deleted)? RogueKhan (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - These are left open for 7 days to get adequate comments.  red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Since you suggested the deletion, would you mind advising what to change/edit/add to close the discussion without deleting the article? Or you still advise to delete it? RogueKhan (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. No evidence at all of satisfying Wikipedia's notability standards. The article suffers from being saturated with irrelevant or barely relevant "references", presumably in the hope that the more references there are, the more likely the article is to be kept. (See Bombardment.) However, I have spent a considerable amount of time checking the sources provided, and found nothing to support notability.


 * I have checked all 13 of the links that RogueKhan has given in this discussion to support keeping the article. What I found was as follows. 6 pages with no mention of Rebeca Minguela at all. (RogueKhan does not seem to have realised that in order to establish that Rebeca Minguela is notable, we need coverage about her, not just about things associated with her.) 3 pages which merely include her name in a list. One page with two brief passing mentions of her. 3 pages merely giving brief biographical details. (Also, all three are pages on web sites that are clearly not independent sources. For example, http://smileandlearn.net/en/about-us/ - the URL says it all: "about us", and the text of the page confirms it: Minguela is listed as part of "Our team"; likewise http://columbusglobalsolutions.com/people/ is a page which lists her among "our people".) One page on a website selling a book relating to her. In addition, most of the pages which either don't mention her or barely mention her are clearly not independent sources: for example, one of them lists her as "founder" of the business whose web site it is.


 * Rather than checking all 51 of the references in the article, I checked every fifth one, in the expectation that doing so would give me a representative sample. The result was very similar to the check of the 13 listed on this page. Neither in the links on this page nor in the references in the article did I find even one single source which gave more than a few brief sentences about her, and most did not give even that: either no mention at all or a mere lsiting of her name was more usual. Also, none of the few that gave a couple of sentences or so were independent sources. There is nothing anywhere even remotely beginning to look like the sort of substantial coverage in independent sources that is required to esatblish notability in Wikipedia's terms. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:16, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment -
 * 1) References need to confirm what is stated in the article. For example, if the article mentions that the person is "advisor of Smile & Learn" a link like http://smileandlearn.net/en/about-us/ in which she appears as part of the team is relevant to support that statement. So all the links on that topic (Columbus, Smile and Learn and Protheus) are relevant and correct.


 * 2) If you checked 1/5 of the references (10 references then) and you believe those are not sufficient, just suggest a deletion of those 10 statements and those 10 references. But what about the other 41 references?


 * 3) Coverage of Rebeca Minguela specifically:
 * FORBES: "Another LGV case centers on 2011 HBS alum Rebeca Minguela’s model for Blink Booking, a website based in Spain for last-minute travelers that she cofounded and modeled on the US company Hotel Tonight. Blink offers a mobile application that provides same-day booking of boutique hotels across Europe, taking advantage of market price differentiations to determine the “best last-minute price” for users. Minguela’s larger goal, Kerr says, is to create a global replication platform that will encourage more entrepreneurship in Spain. Blink Booking served as a springboard for the class to discuss what makes a good candidate for international replication, along with the structure and ethics of these platforms.
 * Several interviews in THE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLICATIONS in Spain (please, check publications):
 * La Razon - http://www.larazon.es/5774-el-20-de-las-reservas-de-hotel-ya-se-hacen-desde-el-movil-GLLA_RAZON_484655#.Ttt1cesWwWl9djv
 * El Pais - http://elpais.com/diario/2012/02/06/radiotv/1328482801_850215.html
 * Expansion - http://www.expansion.com/agencia/efe/2012/11/01/17764181.html
 * El Correo - http://www.elcorreo.com/innova/emprendedores/20121228/blink-booking-201212281217-rc.html
 * Emprendedores - http://www.emprendedores.es/gestion/comercio-movil/blink-aplicacion-hoteles
 * Ecommerce News TV - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_iUUv3qPY&list=PL90F2EA96817E6ED6&index=43
 * PUBLIC SPEAKING
 * Feb 2015 - Harvard European Conference (Cambridge, US) http://europeanconference.org/2015-agenda/
 * May 2014 - Spain Tech Week (Seattle/ Silicon Valley, US) http://www.californiaspainchamber.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=260:spain-tech-week-2014&Itemid=46&lang=en
 * July 2013 – Red Innova – Open Talent (Buenos Aires, Argentina) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Xi_6KiN0k
 * http://www.redinnova.com/2014/01/17/blink-lujo-y-descuentos-en-reservas-de-ultima-hora/ Dec 2012 – Entrepreneurial Women of 21st Century (Valladolid, Spain)
 * https://twitter.com/mujer_uva_empre
 * Sept 2012 - Startup Spain 3.0 (Madrid, Spain) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9an5_bLv9s
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoujVW8Lwlk
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggEOBodjaLQ
 * 2012, 2011, 2010 – Seminar “Future Leaders” (Almeria, Spain) http://babiloniatic.com/el-seminario-lideres-del-futuro-de-almeria-se-celebrara-los-dias-13-14-y-15-de-septiembre/
 * http://www.elalmeria.es/article/finanzasyagricultura/1311648/los/lideres/futuro/eduarda/justo/septiembre.html
 * HARVARD BUSINESS CASE WRITTEN ABOUT HER AND HER STARTUP http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/7324.html


 * 4) She started Blink Booking, awarded with all kinds of prizes (all demonstrated awards in the references that you say are "not relevant")


 * Could you please advise what needs to be changed in the article? Or if you want to still delete it, please do so.104.152.104.189 (talk) 17:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC) RogueKhan (talk) 17:33, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - Specifically to JamesBWatson comment on there is "nothing anywhere", please just check the interviews to her (full interviews in the 3 most important newspapers in Spain):
 * http://www.larazon.es/5774-el-20-de-las-reservas-de-hotel-ya-se-hacen-desde-el-movil-GLLA_RAZON_484655#.Ttt1cesWwWl9djv
 * El Pais - http://elpais.com/diario/2012/02/06/radiotv/1328482801_850215.html
 * Expansion - http://www.expansion.com/agencia/efe/2012/11/01/17764181.html
 * How is that not relevant?
 * RogueKhan (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Some of the references might not be 100% relevant (although they support / backup the points made either on the person or the company she managed) and might be probably removed. But there are several references that are quite strong, like the interviews to her in relevant newspapers (El Pais, La Razon, Economista) or the Harvard Business School case (she is the protagonist and her achievements are mentioned there). The public speaking events are also demonstrable, for example the Harvard Conference which qualifies for relevance (given number of significant public speaker, economists and political figures attending and Rebeca Minguela's role as a panelist). Some editions to the article might need to be made. But it should not be deleted. Hbs2012 (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC) — Hbs2012 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reddogsix (talk • contribs) 19:11, 27 May 2015‎ - In fact, this is the only edit from the account. 79.123.70.227 (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - To quote JamesBWatson in his comment above, "No evidence at all of satisfying Wikipedia's notability standards. The article suffers from being saturated with irrelevant or barely relevant "references", presumably in the hope that the more references there are, the more likely the article is to be kept. (See WP:Bombardment.)"


 * No one that has issued a keep statement has been able to provide examples of non-trivial, secondary, independent, verifiable, reliable sources in the article. Before you start down this path, remember blogs are not independent; quotes in an article are trivial as are listings that someone spoke at a conference; interviews are not secondary support; just starting a company is not Wikipedia recognized evidence of notability nor can the company's notability be inherited by her.


 * Show us the proof of support in 3 or 4 sources and you might get some of us that are opposed to keeping the article to change our minds. Just bombarding the article without being specific will not do it, nor will it provide support in this AfD to keep the article.   red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Most of references are actually supporting what is stated in the article. There are also several important independent publications interviewing and also quoting/ mentioning the person in the article. I'm from Spain and I can state that those publications in which she was interviewed (El Pais, La Razon, Economista, etc) are actually some of the most important publications in Spain. There are also several other references to independent publications in various countries (Il Sole 24 Ore, Forbes, The Daily Mail), mentioning her company and/or her. Rebeca Minguela is a notable person in Spain, for sure, and looking at the references, I would also say in Europe and the US (given that a NASDAQ company acquired the startup she founded). Her company Blink is also notable and well known in Spain and Europe (also broadly mentioned in independent publications). Article needs some editions, but it should be kept. Eguevaraserna (talk) 09:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - To quote JamesBWatson in his comment above, "No evidence at all of satisfying Wikipedia's notability standards. The article suffers from being saturated with irrelevant or barely relevant "references", presumably in the hope that the more references there are, the more likely the article is to be kept. (See WP:Bombardment.)"


 * No one that has issued a keep statement has been able to provide examples of non-trivial, secondary, independent, verifiable, reliable sources in the article. Before you start down this path, remember blogs are not independent; quotes in an article are trivial as are listings that someone spoke at a conference; interviews are not secondary support; just starting a company is not Wikipedia recognized evidence of notability nor can the company's notability be inherited by her.


 * Show us the proof of support in 3 or 4 sources and you might get some of us that are opposed to keeping the article to change our minds. Just bombarding the article without being specific will not do it, nor will it provide support in this AfD to keep the article.   red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Plenty of independent sources have been provided. For example interviews in El Pais, La Razon, Expansion. Those are NOT blogs, but the most important independent newspapers in Spain. 3 of them here again:
 * http://www.larazon.es/5774-el-20-de-las-reservas-de-hotel-ya-se-hacen-desde-el-movil-GLLA_RAZON_484655#.Ttt1cesWwWl9djv
 * El Pais - http://elpais.com/diario/2012/02/06/radiotv/1328482801_850215.html
 * Expansion - http://www.expansion.com/agencia/efe/2012/11/01/17764181.html
 * There is also the Harvard Business School case written about her and her company. That is NOT a blog either: http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=43759
 * Could you also refute all the public speaking events she participated in? Why was she invited to speak at those events (together with the Director of European Commission in one of them for example) if she is not "notable"? Please, be specific.
 * I agree that "the notability of the company cannot be inherit by her", but she started, managed, grew the company and sold it to Groupon (NASDAQ company), one of the very few Spanish startup sold to a NASDAQ company in the USA. Besides, how is then Mark Zuckerberg "inheriting the notability of Facebook"? What had he done apart from Facebook when he first appear in Wikipedia? I'm not trying to compare the subject of this article to Mark Zuckerberg of course, but I just don't agree with the argument. Blink Booking success and notability reflects also in the person who created it. Companies don't create by themselves.
 * I'm being very specific actually. You reddogsix or JamesBWatson are not beinng specific enough, or accurate in their statements.RogueKhan (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I asked for examples of secondary support, interviews are primary support, so your first example is moot; the second example is not about her, it is about the company and only quotes her or references her briefly; and the third is the same as the second.


 * The link only refers to her briefly.  Show me where in the Wikipedia guidelines it states that an abundance of speaking engagements imparts notability - what section in WP:N orWP:BIO is this in. I can't find it.  Your comments about Facebook founder are way off and actually may indicate some of the fundamental flaws in your application of notability - Zuckerberg does not have an entry in Wikipedia because of he created Facebook, he is in Wikipedia because support exists to validate his Wikipedia based notability.  Remember, Wikipedia based notability is not the same as "real-world" notability.  red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 18:06, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Eguevaraserna has been inactive for two years. Prior to their comment here the account has had the strict single-purpose of promoting a single individual (and their band) across a dozen wikis in about 10(!) languages. Looks like a WP:DUCK. In any case their support !vote is based on sources containing only passing mentions. Alsee (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete All the sources are just passing references, or no mention at all. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment -These are interviews to her in main newspapers in Spain, not ¨passing references¨.
 * http://www.larazon.es/5774-el-20-de-las-reservas-de-hotel-ya-se-hacen-desde-el-movil-GLLA_RAZON_484655#.Ttt1cesWwWl9djv
 * El Pais - http://elpais.com/diario/2012/02/06/radiotv/1328482801_850215.html
 * Expansion - http://www.expansion.com/agencia/efe/2012/11/01/17764181.html


 * Delete After going through every reference, the only thing I know for certain about Minguela is that she founded Blink. There is no significant coverage beyond that. Her biography and most of the other information about her life is from PRIMARY sources. Primefac (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * As an additional comment, I should mention that has made a magical return to Wikipedia after two years of not editing. Happy duck hunting, folks. Primefac (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment -These are interviews to her in main newspapers in Spain, not ¨passing references¨.
 * http://www.larazon.es/5774-el-20-de-las-reservas-de-hotel-ya-se-hacen-desde-el-movil-GLLA_RAZON_484655#.Ttt1cesWwWl9djv
 * El Pais - http://elpais.com/diario/2012/02/06/radiotv/1328482801_850215.html
 * Expansion - http://www.expansion.com/agencia/efe/2012/11/01/17764181.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogueKhan (talk • contribs) 19:45, 28 May 2015‎ UTC
 * , interviews are Primary sources and do not demonstrate notability. Primefac (talk) 19:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Question -, Do articles of this kind (i.e. El Pais and VentureBeat below) demonstrate notability (not interviews, independent sources)? Or are considered not sufficient? Thanks
 * http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/09/groupon-acquires-travel-app-blink-to-offer-last-minute-european-vacations-cheap/
 * http://elpais.com/diario/2012/02/06/radiotv/1328482801_850215.html
 * , the VentureBeat article barely even mentions her. The Elpais article is more about Blink than about Minguela (and again, only mentions her in passing without talking about her). So to answer your questions: no, they are not sufficient. Primefac (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete This article is a wp:Bombardment of failed sources. I checked the half dozen "best sources" cited by the keep-votes, and another half dozen random assortment of sources. At most they make passing mention that Rebeca_Minguela founded Blink. Nothing more. This gives me abundant confidence in Primefac's statement that every source has been checked. Alsee (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Could you please name the references that " passing mention" Rebeca only? There are also interviews and articles from other people referring to Rebeca Minguela (i.e. Forbes article, in which Prof Bill Kerr from Harvard Business School mentions how Rebeca started a Global Entrepreneurship platform: http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/08/26/building-a-startup-as-a-global-business/RogueKhan (talk) 16:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as above. see for instant the Financial Times ref- should be a good one- but is only to their frontpage. WP:SOURCE FAIL. <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna  <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  12:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Financial Times link does NOT goes to frontpage, but to an article in which Blink Booking is mentioned. Try again: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d0e7ca22-db19-11e1-8074-00144feab49a.htmlRogueKhan (talk) 16:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment for closing sysop In reviewing this discussion, I would likely see this being a delete scenario. I have refrained from closing this discussion as I have provided feedback to this editor on their talk page following an admin-help notification. I have suggested that WP:REFUND might be a suitable solution for the community and for the primary author of this article. This would allow the editor to work on the article in a draft space and to search for more reliable sources, while removing an article from the main space that doesn't quite meet standards. Mkdw talk 05:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


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