Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebecca Oswald


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I'm sorry Lulecimhikmet. I know you worked hard on this article but the consensus here is clear. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Oswald

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Contested PROD. Creator removed it saying that "this article is being tried to be improved by various sources," but if among the long list of minor awards and compositions already listed nothing has yet established notability, I doubt more work will. Just isn't notable - no significant coverage in reliable sources. (I'll note for the purpose of this AfD that "Rebecca Oswald performed/will perform at this event" is generally routine coverage that does not establish notability.) Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 22:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree with your opinion, I think your objection itself does not represent a credible objectivity in itself. The artist I was working on to describe in this world's free knowledge has been so notable figure in the circles of American classical music for years. In addition, she was commissioned by the Bowerman family, which is the co-founder of NIKE. Consequently, I regard her commentary on my entry as completely biased and ungrounded in terms of her objections. In any part of this article you can not find self-serving statements. The entire category list with regard to the artist's creative works was carefully organised in line with her official records. In that manner, any part of the article cannot be labelled as routine coverage as such. This article requires better editors who can judge the exact universality of such important figures in the world and especially for this resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulecimhikmet (talk • contribs) 00:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Lulecimhikmet: Did you join Wikipedia with the sole purpose of writing the Rebecca Oswald article? -- Klein zach  02:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I can certainly clarify that I had not registered to Wikipedia as the sole purpose of writing this article. I am a post graduate political philosophy student in Europe. I have many projects on Wikipedia especially for Turkish articles in my academic field.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulecimhikmet (talk • contribs) 11:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete As with a number of similar Afds, notability could be established by a couple of published reviews by an independent and reputable newspaper or magazine. If these emerge from this Afd I'd be delighted to change my opinion. -- Klein zach  02:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I will try to find them, please give me enough time space...--M. Hikmet Luleci 11:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion will remain open for at least seven days, so you should have time to identify reliable references to verify notability. --Deskford (talk) 13:59, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.4meter4 (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are many languages given, but the German article doesn't exist. (I have no time to check others.) Why is English specified as a language in the en-WP? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't exist in any of the other languages. I'll remove those now. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 08:40, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I have a subscription to this press archive, and couldn't find anything but very local coverage, and none of it substantial. There are other ways the subject could pass the notability criteria at WP:MUSICBIO in the absence of substantial print coverage. But I'm afraid this still doesn't pass. Music played by highly notable ensembles or soloists in major venues? No evidence of this. Two recordings with a notable record label? One recording, October wind, self-published. Winner of a notable and prestigious award for composition e.g. Guggenheim Fellowship, Rome Prize, Charles Ives Prize? No evidence of this. Multiple scores published by well-known music publishing houses and widely held in libraries? Her WorldCat identies One and Two show a total of 3 scores in 3 library holdings, one of which is her Master's thesis and the remaining two are self-published. The scores for the pieces on the October wind recording are self-published at lulu.com and do not appear to be held in any libraries yet. By the way, the article has several chunks copy-pasted from her website and here without attribution. Voceditenore (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Comment: You maybe right about the big, generic, and mainstream publications. However, I just want you to look at the variety of her creative works and also the wide range of her productions. In such a case how can you define someone as not a notable person? I invite you to look at many other musical composers in Wikipedia, this page I have created from many aspects is more compact, tidy and well-presented. If in Wikipedia you are going to judge people's exact artistic worth with respect to their so-called fame then what is the point of creating such an independent world knowledge source? As you are an academician and as I am an academic person can you explain this to me? Creative works, compositions and educational insight must represent the real artistic stance of such people. Again I just invite you to comprehend the exact artistic value which the artist presents to the world, and I mainly ask you to recognise it as the world knowledge. If we are really going to prove every knowledge as truth based assumptions on the generic newspaper news then why do we need such a source at all? You are claiming that this artist has not any record label as such, please look at the same page again. Her newest album is coming from Navona Records, if you are in classical music industry you may have heard Parma Recordings and its branch of Navona ones. By the way, can you say that being an independent artist and also producing your own compositions on your own can be enough reason as an obstacle to your universality? Lulecimhikmet (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Inclusion in Wikipedia is based on the criteria for notability as defined by Wikipedia, which have been explained in depth above. It has nothing to do with artistic worth or accomplishment, and deletion discussions are not about a panel independently assessing someone's artistic talents, a mistake that many new editors make. Wikipedia does not publish original research, it publishes articles based on what has already been published. It is not the place to raise the profile of an unknown but no doubt worthy artist. It is the place to record those whose career has already made a significant impact, an impact which can be documented. Re the Navona Records cd. It hasn't come out yet. And even if it had already come out, it would be only one cd, and on a compilation with works by other people. It is simply not enough. Again, I emphasise that this is not a reflection on Ms. Oswald's talent or potential, it is simply the framework within which all Wikipedia editors have to work, whether or not we are academics in real life. Voceditenore (talk) 09:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as unnotable, per the points noted by nom & Voceditenore. Eusebeus (talk) 16:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I have added several more review and article references, in light of the editor's concerns about notability. I believe this should satisfy at least one of the notability criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. Lulecimhikmet (talk) 23:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
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