Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebecca Paul


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Rebecca Paul

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Poorly sourced WP:BLP of a person with no particularly strong notability claim. The principal notability claim here is that she is (or possibly was, considering how long this article has existed) president and CEO of a lottery corporation, which is not an "inherently" notable role in the absence of solid sourcing to get her over WP:GNG -- but three of the six footnotes here are primary sources (LinkedIn, her own employer) that are not support for notability at all, and two of the other three are from a user-generated discussion forum that isn't a reliable source. And while there is one citation to a daily newspaper here, it's a dead link that I can't recover via the Wayback Machine, it was a bare URL so there's no way to search for it by title, and even if it were recoverable it takes a lot more than just one newspaper hit to pass GNG. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have considerably better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 02:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women,  and Tennessee. Bearcat (talk) 02:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Georgia (U.S. state), Illinois,  and Indiana.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment While the citing in the article is poor, I immediately find a three page article in a Florida newspaper about Paul while she ran that state's lottery, and a two page article about her while she was in Tennessee. I am leaving only a comment in case this is helpful for others as this article is considered.DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relist to evaluate new sources found. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BASIC - the article can be updated with the coverage noted above and other coverage that reflects her other name "Rebecca Paul Hargrove", e.g. Hitting the Jackpot: Rebecca Hargrove's Winning Strategy (ABC News, 2009), Lottery Legend Has Seen A Lot Of Winning Tickets (NPR, 2013), Meet the woman behind creating multiple state lotteries, including TN (WKRN, 2019), Rebecca Hargrove (Herald-Courier, 2019). As of 2022, she appears to be known as Rebecca Paul, e.g. WVLT8, WKRN. There is also earlier coverage: Rebecca Paul To Head New Georgia Lottery (Orlando Sentinel, 1993), Tennessee hires lottery director away from Georgia (NBC5, 2003), Lottery chief marries retiring legislator (Nashville Post, 2006), and the 1987 Orlando Sentinel article noted above. Beccaynr (talk) 14:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep The first two sources from the Florida and Tennessee papers are about her, the rest are semi-ok. Article needs a reworking with the source material though. Oaktree b (talk) 05:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - I am not convinced by this coverage. Mere passing mentions are not significant coverage. I do not see sufficient depth in the coverage beyond anything routine. Not enough to build much more than a one line stub. Does not meet the general notability guideline imho. But, I concede, I also see a week keep argument. All of the above arguments are reasonable. MaxnaCarta (talk) 09:04, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The article in the Orlando Sentinel is entirely about Paul and is three pages long. This is not a passing mention. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The line "Paul gained national fame within the lottery community" in the article is a notability red flag, but the coverage presented above does, indeed, take Paul past WP:GNG. I would note the article needs a thorough spring clean, but as eny fule no, AfD ain't cleanup. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep There is plenty of coverage on her and she meets WP:GNG. In addition to the two articles I noted above, the New York Times also has a multi-page article on Paul. All three are now in her page, along with some new citations to get rid of some of the bare URLs. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


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