Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Recalcitrance (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. NW ( Talk ) 10:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Recalcitrance
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Self published novel, that does not meet the WP:NBOOK standards. There are two author interviews published in local media, but those don't seem to provide "sufficient critical commentary" as required by the guideline. Abecedare (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Note: The earlier AFDs listed in the box on the right are not really related to this novel or its author, and can be safely ignored. Abecedare (talk) 02:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- Abecedare (talk) 02:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- Abecedare (talk) 02:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this book. Joe Chill (talk) 02:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Lack of sourcing indicates questionable notability. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Worldcat hasn't heard of the book or author; no critical review of the book, nothing at all to indicate that this will pass WP:NBOOK. - Spaceman  Spiff  03:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - This book is notable as it presents one of the rare perspectives of an Indian after 150 years of the events of 1857. As this novel is published in India you will not be able to find its listing on international websites and to go for such activity in India is still an exception. As per WP:NBOOK listing of any book on Amazon or similar websites does not makes it notable & vice-versa. Anyways, historicalnovels.info lists this novel with comments, "Anurag Kumar, Recalcitrance, about the experiences of Indians during the 1857 mutiny against British rule, by an author whose ancestors witnessed it."; novel is also listed on academic.ru, ebay.in & ebay.com. -- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 08:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete : notability not established using references from reliable sources. The sources pointed out by Faiz above are not reliable ... e.g., an eBay listing means nothing (anyone can list anything there), the historicnovels.info is not a reliable site at all, academic.ru -- isn't that a wiki mirror? So, where are the references that establish the subject's notability? As for the novel being published in India, if it were notable enough, there must have been coverage on the novel in the hundreds of Indian newspapers that have been available online for the last decade. --Ragib (talk) 08:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete : Articles notability is disputed. A Google search of the novel does not yield any results except for some blogs that describe the novel.Another Google search with the novel along with its author do yield some results which does not credibly indicate the importance of the novel.The only exact hit found by Google is the article about the novel in Wikipedia. I even doubt whether this article is intended for the promoting the novel.At the end, the article even describes the author of the novel, which seems to be unnecessary..  arun  talk  09:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - per comments of User:Faizhaider listed above. --AnupamTalk 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I hate the idea of deleting an article on a book, any book, but I can't find an ISBN number on this book and I can't find a single review of the book anywhere. Get me an ISBN number and one review of the book in a reasonable publication and I'll change my mind. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 15:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I doubt there is an ISBN for the book. According to the author's blog, his father got the book printed at a press after it was rejected by mainstream publishers. It doesn't even seem to be distributed in India, and is available only at bookstores in Lucknow and through ebay. (see ). I am actually tempted to read the book myself, but don't consider that fact to be sufficient to establish notability on wikipedia. :-) Abecedare (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete This book has been listed at historicalnovels.info because the author contacted me to request a listing. When he first contacted me, I declined to list it, because I was unable to find an online bookseller that offered it for sale. As previously noted in this discussion, eBay is not primarily a bookseller. At a later date, the author contacted me again to let me know Recalcitrance was for sale at an online bookseller - one of the Amazon stores, I think, though it doesn't currently seem to be offered through either Amazon.com or Amazon.uk. I have not read the book and cannot vouch for its quality, nor have I received a review copy, although I'm sure copies of the book are in existence. I do list quite a few self-published novels at HistoricalNovels.info - for the past year or so, I have been including the notation "self-published" with all of these that I add; the listing for Recalcitrance went up before I started doing this. Most (not all) self-published novels I have seen are quite poorly written. (The "Self-Published Round-Up" page at HistoricalNovels.info has brief critiques of self-published novels, indicating their typical flaws.) I'm inclined to think the author or one of his friends created the Wikipedia page for this novel, and I find it rather annoying to have my website offered as evidence of this novel's quality. I'm going to de-list it at www.HistoricalNovels.info. 75.175.42.10 (talk) 17:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Thanks are due to Abecedare, SpacemanSpiff, and RegentsPark for delving into the matter!  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  23:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.